Ngeny Noah KEN 3:47.21

He has had a hard time coming back since he was in an auto accident in 2001.

It's known as the Komen Syndrome.

-Soup

No, you idiot, it's known as getting hit my a damn automobile at a fast speed.

Next time a driver sees you running perhaps they'll run you over, then watch as you struggle to set PR's after the "Accident." When you don't, I hope someone on the board mocks you, but the difference is, you won't have an Olympic gold and a 3:43 mile PR.

BURN!!!!

did he get hit by the car while he was running or was he in a car too?

EPO was around back in '68?

Sydney was in 2000, not 1968.

What about it? Did Kip Kieno run in Sydney? Ben Jipcho? Mamo Wolde?

wait a sec wrote:

What about it? Did Kip Kieno run in Sydney? Ben Jipcho? Mamo Wolde?

No, they did run in altitude in Mexico City ; ).

The guy has a point. Everyone thinks all the Africans are clean. Why did the IAAF state they let Lagat off on a technicality and tell his coach to knock off the BS about his athlete being 'innocent'?

notsofast wrote:

No, they did run in altitude in Mexico City ; ).

So did Gammoudi, Ryun, and George Young. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Everyone thinks all the Africans are clean.

That's a lie.

Why did the IAAF state they let Lagat off on a technicality and tell his coach to knock off the BS about his athlete being 'innocent'?

Uh, I wouldn't know because this is the first I've heard of this. Post a link to your source.

What technicality? Are false positives impossible?

it's a shame, because he had a hot streak there for a while. WR in the 1000m @ 2:11 (beating Coe's WR) and breaking the WR with El Guerrouj the same time he broke it, running 3:43.xx, and winning a gold in the olympics. at least he got his though.

I have a question for everyone (please no one mention drugs)

A great runner is usually defined by two things.

1) running fast times

2) winning championships (in the process beating peers)

usually the latter is given preference

When Noah did oth 1(3:43 #2, 3:28#4, 2:11wr)

He also won the OLYMPIC gold beating #1 and #2 on the 1500 list in the process.

Please someone explain how he is not considered one of the top 5 milers of all time?

how many times did he beat #1 and #2 (El G and Lagat?). Webb's beat Lagat in a race before, albeit not the Olympics, but I think people look for more consistency before saying someone is truly great. The problem is Ngeny was hit by a car, but he's obviously one the fastest middle distance runners ever. The fastest 1000m runner ever and the second fastest miler ever. I consider him up there, but at the same time, he hasn't had a share of great races like Guerrouj or Ryun or Coe and he was finished pretty soon.

student of the sport wrote:

Please someone explain how he is not considered one of the top 5 milers of all time?

I would say that it's 'cause he was in El G's shadow, but look at Lagat. Everyone knows his name, so I don't know why they don't know Noah's. Maybe it's 'cause Lagat is the only great one left out of El G's era that is still running. Maybe Noah would be just as famous if he'd been running still and not hit by the car.

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student of the sport wrote:

I have a question for everyone (please no one mention drugs)

A great runner is usually defined by two things.

1) running fast times

2) winning championships (in the process beating peers)

usually the latter is given preference

When Noah did oth 1(3:43 #2, 3:28#4, 2:11wr)

He also won the OLYMPIC gold beating #1 and #2 on the 1500 list in the process.

Please someone explain how he is not considered one of the top 5 milers of all time?

That's a very very good question, when you put it that way.

In general I'm tempted to agree he's one of the all time greats, but I think others would say that he did not show longevity... great championships and records over a period of 4-8 years???

Yes, I think that Ngeny's time at the top was too short (about 2 or 2 1/2 years). And didn't he beat El Guerrouj only once? (Admittedly, in an Olympic final.) How many times did El Guerrouj beat Ngeny?