Here is the full quote...
"If you have the opportunity to become a PROFESSIONAL RUNNER, using two sessions a day and running 120/150 miles per week, you can run 2:10." - Renato Canova
Does he really think everyone can do this? How do you go about it?
It sounds as if the quote was meant more for people with talent. Not the everyday joe. This still probably doesn't hold true for a lot of people that have the talent to run fast, however, if those people started running the higher mileage ... well then I think we would have more 2:10 guys.
Actually this was on the thread talking about running a Marathon on low mileage. So I think he actually mean't to the people on there that (no offense) don't have a huge amount of talent to start with.
Putting in 120 miles a week is a good start. Of course, the hard workouts and long runs are essential. Unfortunately, having that opportunity seems a bit out of reach for most of us. The time it takes to run all those miles while holding down a full time job plus other obligations (i.e. family) is nearly impossible these days.
That's just it... If you can run the mileage, is that all you do and you run 2:10? Obviously not, but what do you do?
I could run a 2:10 800m off 10 miles per week. But a 2:10 marathon... if someone wants to sponsor the effort I'd be up for it.
Sound like something another guy said LYIDARD! I will put my money on them anytime.
Sorry, but you're wrong. This is what Renato actually wrote in the low volume thread:
The final conclusion is :
a) It's possible running a Marathon with only 3 sessions per week, if you have no time. If you are talented, you can also run 2:30, but........
b) If you can run every day, going to 80/90 miles per week, you become able running 2:20 and......
c) If you have the opportunity to become a PROFESSIONAL RUNNER, using two sessions a day and running 120/150 miles per week, you can run 2:10
He's talking about what a runner with world class TALENT can do with limited mileage. The idea that just anybody can run a 2:10 marathon just because he ran 150 mi/wk is ridiculous.
If you can run 120/150 miles a week CONSISTENTLY, chances are very good that you're an elite runner. 150 mpw cannot be done by average joe. This would make him above average by a large margin.
-Soup
I plan on running NYC marathon in 2:10. 2:10pm, nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.
Speed Kills wrote:
He's talking about what a runner with world class TALENT can do with limited mileage. The idea that just anybody can run a 2:10 marathon just because he ran 150 mi/wk is ridiculous.
OK if someone has talent where would they start?
seems like not many americans, have any of the world team members hit 2:10??? Damn, I could go to world championships in 10 years
SoupNazi wrote:
If you can run 120/150 miles a week CONSISTENTLY, chances are very good that you're an elite runner. 150 mpw cannot be done by average joe. This would make him above average by a large margin.
-Soup
I'm living proof that this is just plain not true. I've put in over 5000 miles in the past 12 months, am currently way above 150mpw, have logged extensive periods of consistent high mileage (100-140mpw) and I am VERY SLOW and would NEVER be considered "above average by a large margin" by ANYONE!
So even if you sucked in HS on low mileage, building up properly to 100+ miles can still make you a decent marathoner eh?
Cze wrote:
I'm living proof that this is just plain not true. I've put in over 5000 miles in the past 12 months, am currently way above 150mpw, have logged extensive periods of consistent high mileage (100-140mpw) and I am VERY SLOW and would NEVER be considered "above average by a large margin" by ANYONE!
How many years have you been training like this?
if you can run sub 28.30 10k-a 2.10 marathon is possible off 120/150 miles p/week
Cze wrote:
I'm living proof that this is just plain not true. I've put in over 5000 miles in the past 12 months, am currently way above 150mpw, have logged extensive periods of consistent high mileage (100-140mpw) and I am VERY SLOW and would NEVER be considered "above average by a large margin" by ANYONE!
Exactly, that's why I am asking. I think it takes more then just the mileage.
A trait that a lot of elite runners have that us mere mortals don't is the ability to run large weekly volumes like this and not constantly get injured. It is one of the physical attributes that makes elites stand out from the nearly elites. Maybe it has something to do with more efficient technique, I don't know? I am definately a Mr average when it comes to running, and know for sure that I couldn't currently run this amount of mileage without doing myself some serious damage. I do agree though that if I gave my body enough time to adpat I could seriously improve my marathon time by increasing my weekly mileage. Whether I could ever consistently run 150 miles a week without getting injured though????
Redbiker wrote:
A trait that a lot of elite runners have that us mere mortals don't is the ability to run large weekly volumes like this and not constantly get injured.
Incorrect. Elites get injured plenty. The trait that the elites have that mortals do not is to race very very fast. Plenty of schmoes have the ability to do this kind of mileage consistently. They just don't have the patience or the desire.
I am definately a Mr average when it comes to running, and know for sure that I couldn't currently run this amount of mileage without doing myself some serious damage.
How do you know for sure? Have you tried to do this kind of mileage consistently? What was the injury you got?
Cze,
No offense to you but I would like to see some proof, if at all possible, to back up your claims.
Can you be more specific? What periods did you run "way above 150mpw". Also, I am sure you are aware 5000 per year is 104 average which quite different than averaging 120-150 for a full year.
Also, what, if any tempo/AT threshold runs did you do? And, what are your PRs and Age?
If you don't do threshold/tempo runs and you slog along at 9-10 min pace, then yes of course you will never be 2:10 quality.
-Soup