State of Cali thinks it can afford $400B/yr Single Payer Healthcare System by incorporating Artificial Intelligence

So does Kenya. You get sick and they give you an aspirin. You get hurt and they give you a band aid

Jose the Plomero wrote:

Mexico has universal coverage.

Cali could not split.

They running further and further into debt. They pay out much more than they bring in every year just in State pensions.(thank Gray Davis for that)

They are increasing the amount they pay into social services, when the people that receive the services don't pay in at all.

They need every penny in federal subsidies to stay afloat.

And most importantly, if they split, In-N-Out would pull up roots in Cali and head for Arizona and Texas and Nevada.

California finding a way to go single payer would be an absolute game-changer for the rest of the country.

My family participated in Kaiser-Permanente in SoCal for several years and loved KP. Their rates were far better than other insurers. Their integrated and systemic approach, with all-in care at medical centers seemed like an excellent model to emulate. No coinsurance, no catastrophic max, excellent care and preventive strategies. A family member suffered a major medical emergency with several surgeries, imaging, testing and physical therapy and I thank my lucky stars frequently that we were in the KP system during that period.

Something like KP on a massive scale would be a wonder IMO. I don't live in California anymore but hope they can make it happen, because the pressure for the rest of the states, and the Federal Government, to do the same would become tremendous.

Kaiser / HMO / single payer plans are great until you get sick. My mom was on Kaiser when she found out she had cancer. It took them over two months between her initial diagnosis and when they performed surgery (because their surgeons were so backlogged and because you have to go through so many layers of red tape on an HMO plan). By the time they actually got around to doing the surgery, the cancer had already advanced to stage 4. Throw in some botched chemotherapy (they administered a less effective drug than what is standard for the type of cancer my mom had) and my mom died 6 months later. I often feel that if she were on a PPO plan with less red tape and better doctors, she might still be with us to this day. Be careful what you wish for.

California is unique in the US as having the top researchers, engineers, and programmers in the world to build a Single Payer System driven by A.I. It was California that led the development of Obamacare paperless/electronic medical records systems that nearly 100% of Americans today now take for granted.

Anyone with even 4 brain calls knows these silly things will never happen. Even people like me who hate Trump find the idea of CA leaving the U.S. to be comical. There would be no winners. The U.S. would lose their biggest revenue source and CAians would pay a lot more for everything. Not to mention the social effects.

CA can't just leave the country when a republican is voted in. Then what, when a Democrat comes back in 2020, CA will rejoin the US? You people are dumber than you think.

Keep reading sfgate wrote:

A military conflict between California and the rest of the US would be a bloodbath, are you planning on nuking Camp Pendleton when the Marines there decide they don't want to let you secede?

A military conflict would be started by your Cheeto who has an itchy trigger finger. Pendleton do not all walk in goose-step to the Cheeto. It is so typical of Cheeto voters to think the military people would go to battle for him.

Sorry about your mother, but every system includes stories just like yours. A relative of mine was treated at the esteemed Cleveland Clinic and there were similar issues with their care. In our case with KP, another family member received top-notch care and follow-up in the last three years. I would go to something like the KP system in a heartbeat, knowing that no system in perfect.

joedirt wrote:

Kaiser / HMO / single payer plans are great until you get sick. My mom was on Kaiser when she found out she had cancer. It took them over two months between her initial diagnosis and when they performed surgery (because their surgeons were so backlogged and because you have to go through so many layers of red tape on an HMO plan). By the time they actually got around to doing the surgery, the cancer had already advanced to stage 4. Throw in some botched chemotherapy (they administered a less effective drug than what is standard for the type of cancer my mom had) and my mom died 6 months later. I often feel that if she were on a PPO plan with less red tape and better doctors, she might still be with us to this day. Be careful what you wish for.