What 800m speed do you need to be able to run, to run a 4min mile. Does it need to be sub 1.50
What 800m speed do you need to be able to run, to run a 4min mile. Does it need to be sub 1.50
"What are the indications that one is ready to join the select few to achieve this magical state (sub-4.00 mile)? Years ago, when 880yds was raced, it was accepted that a time of 1:52 was the minimum speed necessary. Today, for the 800m, it would be half-a-second faster. But former mile record holder John Landy (Australia) cut it fine; his best 800m was only 1:51.3, yet he ran a 3:58 mile.
"The 800m time appears to have a direct effect on miling aspirations. Noureddine Morceli, with a mile time of 3:44.39, has an 800m time of 1:43.99, which if multiplied by two is 3:27.98, 16.41 secs short of his mile time. Seb Coe's best mile is 3:47.33; his 800m time, 1:41.73, when doubled, is 23.87 secs short of his mile figure. Said Aouita's best mile is 3:46.76, his 800m time is 1:43.86 - 19.04 secs short.
"If we take an average of these deficits it is 19.6 secs, and if we apply that as a measure to one's 800m time, we get an estimate of our miling potential, eg, 1:52/800m x 2 = 3:44 + 19 = 4:03. It is clear that an athlete with an 800m time of 1:50 and less has a better chance of running a sub-four mile.
"But all is not lost for the non-speedy athlete. One of my runners in 1970 had a reading of only 1:51 for 800m but he ran a 3:56 mile. Using the previous calculations, his combined 800m time was only 14 secs short of his mile time. Thus we have a range of 14-19 secs deficit to measure miling potential. The important omitted factor in this case was his 3 km time, 7mins.49 secs. If we halve this we get 3:54.5, and the customary deduction to ascertain the 1,500m time is less 15 secs. In this case it comes to 3:39.5, the equivalent of a 3:56.5 / mile (adding 17secs to the 1,500m time)."
Not really I've seen some guys go way under 4:00....3:54's because of the endurace they have to maintain 59's and I've seen some guys way under 1:50 and never broke 4:00 for example look at some past and current U.S. 800m runners
Jose Parilla 1:43.97/800 Mile time ? I'm sure not under 4:00
Brandon Rock 1:44.?/800 Mile time ? Not under 4:00
Johnny Gray AR 1:42.6?/800 Mile time 4:0?? but not under 4:00
Mark Everett 1:43.2/800 Mile time not under 4:00
Derrick Peterson 1:44/800 Mile Time not under 4:00
Bryan Woodward 1:45/800 Mile time not under 4:00
Micheal Granville 1:46/800 Mile time ? not under 4:00
To give you a better understanding I'm sure these guys can or could break 4:00 or better if there training was geared toward that. So all runners are different and there training is different. These guys can run 1:46's and 45 sec 400m but after 1200m even 1000m for some.. the Bear and Mr Rig will be waiting for them.
Please correct me if any of the runners I mentioned ran sub 4:00 especially Johnny Gray.
The Roc
Generally, a 50.x 400m/1:51 800m runner has the capability of running 3:59.
I ran a 3.59 mile off of 1.52.9 800m speed. I also ran plenty of 3.41 1500m (equal to sub 4) running a 1.53. 800m the weekend prior. However, I had 7.51 3000m endurance. You can run a sub four with 1.52 speed, but you will need good speed endurance. Anyone out there know any slower sub 4 milers? I think Steve Plas. has run a sub 4 off of an even slower 800m PR.
i ran 3:53 with a 1:48.9 pr that same year. My all time 400m pr relay split was 50.6.
dick
Dick, sub4 and yourself are horses or were having that endurace means a lot. I do believe a Sprinter type 800m guy
compared to a distance type 800m guy will always have a better chance in breaking 4:00
The Roc
Roc,
Of all the 800m guys I've seen run the mile, it was never a sprinter type who ran anywhere near 4 min. On the contrary, the distance type 800m guys typically excel at the mile. Of course, the faster a distance guy you are, the better chance you have than a slow distance guy.