Kids Won't Buy In

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Dude just relax, you're coaching HS not World Class Athletes. If they follow your program then good, if they don't then cool. I really don't understand what kinda advice you are looking for. Relax and stop beating yourself up, or trying to outdo the previous coach.

Have to say this is a pretty good troll. But this line gives it away. There's no way anyone is dumb enough to think Schedule A and Schedule B are equivalent.

I believe their workouts are similar enough to mine

Also, I don't buy the "old" routine. These workouts are stupid for 5k. 3x2k @ race pace w/ 300m jog? Lol. And then the rest are 8k-ish volume @ 5k pace? Double LOL. Especially if the #3 is only running 17:30. Galen Rupp could handle these, not your average 17:30 HS'er.

NeedHelp24 wrote:

Monday: Workout Day

Race pace based/V02

3 x 2000m w/300m

8 x 1000m

10 x 800m

5 x 1600m

I am not going to get into the specifics of the workouts, but address the buy in issue. As with many high school coaches especially the ones without a teaching background, you look at only the training aspect.

These are people. As a football coach once said "It is not about the Xs and the Os, it is about the Jimmy's and the Joe's".

To get buy in you need to listen to them. This does not mean they run the show, but their input is helpful. Maybe warn them that the training is going to be different in some aspects, but the goals are the same just being achieved in a slightly different way.

The team aspect is very big in my program. Which is something I try to teach the kids each day. With my top runners going off and doing their own thing it's hard for me to teach that. I think I have a unique training style because I am not somebody who cares about times so much or cares about how well they perform in races but more about how they can help their teammates enjoy the sport. I think they view this as me wanting them to fail but I just personally believe that training is not nearly as important as the team culture. Do you guys believe that they can be successful without being apart of their team? A big part of them leaving was because I told them I wasn't focused on the training as much. Do you think they're also viewing me the wrong way?

My high school xc coach did one key thing - he ran with us - in front. Only our 4 min miler could beat him. He was upbeat and doubled back to get the slow kids back into the group. We were a team of 75 with 10 or 12 competing for 7 spots in the state championship (which we always won). Nothing inspires respect like working hard yourself.

run with them wrote:

My high school xc coach did one key thing - he ran with us - in front. Only our 4 min miler could beat him. He was upbeat and doubled back to get the slow kids back into the group. We were a team of 75 with 10 or 12 competing for 7 spots in the state championship (which we always won). Nothing inspires respect like working hard yourself.

Most people aren't as fast as Pat Tyson was back in the day.

Once I worked for a company that had seven straight years of earnings growth and paid great bonuses. Then the CEO retired and the new guy changed things up. And we had two straight years of declining earnings and bonuses.

Unfortunately for him nobody bought into the new, less successful program. So a lot of us quit and he got fired and the company stinks now. If only people had bought in to doing worse!

I think there's a line where it goes from helpful to kids thinking you're just training yourself.

Also at a certain age you just can't run with the team.

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