if u just look at pb's who has the best 1 man DMR time. Like, for example, MR. X has:
1200- 3:05
400-51
800-1:59
1600-4:08
= 10:03 ( i think, just did the math in my head). anyways, amongst urself and amongst the pro's, who has the best range in those 4 races?
Hicham El Guerrouj: the guy can certainly go 2:45-7, 48-9, 1:43, and then 3:45-7 (for a 1600, not even a full MILE)
Webb would do well at 2:50, 47, 1:46, 3:49
EL G can run 3:41-3:42 for 1600, not 3:45 like you stated
and he has been said to have run a 46 second 400
Noah Ngeny in his prime would be the best.
Coe would get a lead on El G that he should be able to keep.
It seems likely that in facing El Guerrouj, Coe, in his day, would have made up on the other three legs what he would have conceded in the 1600.
Coe would be around 2:46, 1:41, :46, 3:46? Thats tough to beat.
el g could go 2:41 for the 1200
I'll take Kipketer. I'm pretty sure he could run a 3:30. Given the cushion he would create with his 400 and 800 time, this would be sufficient to win. Except for that rascal Coe .... I can't figure out a way to beat him.
El G has gone 2:44 as a split in a 1500. So surely he could run 55 seconds per quarter for 3 straight. Man thats pretty damn fast.
This is quite a simple question that is being overcomplicated:
The most significant portions of the race are the 1200m and the 1600m. These constitute, percentage wise, the largest part of the race.
El Guerrouj has about a 3:42 1600m PR (3:43.13 mile) and a 2:44.75 1200m split (and he tied up badly the last 300 of that race, so his all-out 1200 is probably no more than 0.5 seconds faster).
He wins easily, because no 800m runner would beat him by enough in the 400 (he has 47) or the 800 (probably for him, at his absolute best, 1:42-1:43) to make up for that lost time in the longest 2 races.
Coe is not even close. He gives up 4 seconds in the 1600, another likely 3 in the 1200 (2:47 for him, let's assume, based on a 3:29 1500 PR), beats El G by 1-2 in the 800, and beats him by perhaps 1 second in the 400.
That's El Guerrouj by 4-5.
The ONLY person who has a snowball's chance, at his prime (and he was only at his prime for TWO YEARS) is Ngeny, with a 3:42 1600, possibly a 2:43-high to 2:44 low 1200, a 1:42 800 (he split 1:44 in a THOUSAND, for goodness sakes) and a 46-high to 47 low 400.
It would be incredibly close though, and he has never approached his 3:43 because he has never followed anyone else but El G at that pace, once (because no one can hit that pace).
That's quite a leap saying that El G would put 3 seconds on Coe in the 1200.
I would say they were close to even there.
After the 400 and 800 El G would be at least 2-3 seconds back.
Good luck making up that much on Coe in a 1600.
Coe is not even close?
shut up, get off of el g's nuts.
let's be realistic.
coe, it is said, has split 45 high on a 4x4. el g, it is said, has about 48 high 49 low 400m strength. that is a good bit of ground to make up.
the 800m portion goes to coe hands down. his 1:41 is far superior to the 1:44 that el g might be able to run.
the 1200m would be the most even event. coe would be 4-5 seconds ahead at this point, and would no doubt be able to maintain that same lead throughout the 1200m.
the 1600m is where el g would make up ground, but but no means would he beat coe. even if he were to catch coe, coe would destroy him in the last 100m.
the end.
Mtn Dew wrote:
Noah Ngeny in his prime would be the best.
That's what I was thinking. It'd would've been in a short time period, but he would've been the one.
chillingworth wrote:
the 1200m would be the most even event. coe would be 4-5 seconds ahead at this point, and would no doubt be able to maintain that same lead throughout the 1200m.
El G was probably a 1:42 high 800m guy at worse, but never proved it. I also think being MUCH faster in a 1500m, would mean he would've been at least 1-2 seconds better in a 1200m.
Since one runner is doing the whole race I think the winner would the one capable of the fastest 4,000m.
In that case the race, in my opinion, comes down to two people, Komen and Bekele. Komen ran 7:20, Bekele ran 12:37.
I'll say the race would be pretty even, Komen wins by a nose.
Would they break 10?
Obviously you misunderstood the question.
chillingworth wrote:
shut up, get off of el g's nuts.
let's be realistic.
coe, it is said, has split 45 high on a 4x4. el g, it is said, has about 48 high 49 low 400m strength. that is a good bit of ground to make up.
the 800m portion goes to coe hands down. his 1:41 is far superior to the 1:44 that el g might be able to run.
the 1200m would be the most even event. coe would be 4-5 seconds ahead at this point, and would no doubt be able to maintain that same lead throughout the 1200m.
the 1600m is where el g would make up ground, but but no means would he beat coe. even if he were to catch coe, coe would destroy him in the last 100m.
the end.
Do you seriously think El G could only go 48-49 in the 400? That is really weak for a 3:27 1500 guy. 1:44 is also slow for him. I think realistically he could have gone 47/1:42.
wasnt El G\'s last 800m at Athens 1:44?