Amen! Jan is not a good coach, anyone can produce short term results, all of her athletes will fail to keep improving long term. You would have to be a fool to hire her as a coach!
Amen! Jan is not a good coach, anyone can produce short term results, all of her athletes will fail to keep improving long term. You would have to be a fool to hire her as a coach!
Also, it's "salvo" (as in a volley of shots) not "salvation" (as in being saved). Not making fun here, since your English is far better than my Swedish (or my Spanish), I just know that many people like guidance on mistakes like this when working in a foreign language so that their skills improve.
Every LRCer does 120+ mpw, is a 2:05 marathoner, and definitely not doping.
Smoove, don't even pay attention to that person's posts. It's a troll. They feed on attention.
I have never denied that the phase method that f.ex Lydiard,Canova,Daniels and a couple of more represents, with parts of high mileage, functions very good. How could I ? There are many runners that have succeed with that kind of method. But what I have come up with is a method that on relatively low mileage at least shows to be as good as the phase high mileage methods and also helps the runner to reach highest individual capacity over time.
Every part in my system is of course not unknown for the world of running before. But I`m quite sure there have never been someone before that have combined the parts in the way I do.
The "secret" is to find the level of mileage that is enough to reach your individual best performance. Too many runners try to find the upper limit.
For all level of runners I think it`s good to see that you can train on a base of low mileage and still reach your highest capacity in combination with time for all other things that matters in life.
COACH J.S
Back to the original question... I am 60 and have been at 85-95 a week for the last five months. Started running six months ago after several years off. The new age group was hard to resist :-)
The first four months were exclusively at a very easy pace while I dropped 30 pounds, and I have now added in a couple of faster days (repeat miles or Marathon pace runs) within a 10 day training cycle.
I ran a 5k before starting the faster workouts to set a base-line for my harder runs and ran 19:06. I am looking forward to seeing what the Fall and longer races bring.
As to the 100MPW thing, I like the idea of that nice, round number, but I can't seem to quite get there. Perhaps two-a-days would be the ticket but I have enough trouble getting out the door once a day. And I feel like injuries are always lurking. As I approach a 100 mile week, something always starts to act up and I take a day off to let it pass. So I miss a day every ten days or so. I really should just schedule them so I don't get so bummed about slacking off. Yes, I am both obsessive and compulsive ;-)
Given all that, my feeling is that if you run slow enough, you can run 100 MPW and get pretty fit doing it.
COACH J.S å ä ö wrote:
So you obviously believe he pounded out 35 km in the morning all 7 days in the week?
Read again;
"Normally, I am training for about three hours, and when it's two months before a competition, I will be doing about 35k in that morning slot."
In the early evening, I spend most of my time in the gym doing strength work. But even if I am in the gym, I will still do 10k on the treadmill and another 10k on the bike. Then I will do some strength training. That is seven days a week, except for Sunday, when I only do the morning session."
So, if he would´ve done 35k every morning: 7x35 = 245km per week.
If you add the 10k treadmill runs and you would only need one 10k to reach a total of 255km per week, only 2km out from 160mpw.
So answering to your question; no, I don´t believe that he ran 35km every morning. Note that he used words like "normally" and "about 35k".
Back to my point; for sure he did well over 100mpw which you claimed to be only good if you want to burn calories.
Haha! I`m not a "her". My name is Jan, and in Europe it`s more men then women who have that name. And so far after 2 years as a coach my runners keep on improving both short and long term.
I am not a gifted natural runner, with that said, I ran 100+ mile weeks for over 15 years before injuries prevented me from continuing at that level. I eventually had to settle in at 85 miles per week until a knee injury finally stopped me.
I really think that your average serious competitive runner can not tolerate that level of mileage for a very long time without breaking down. Unless you are mechanically sound, which very few people are.
I think a better approach is varying mileage through different phases of training and only going above 100 mpw maybe about 15% of the weeks.
I wrote the word "salvation" and meant it to be as in being saved. Do you mean it should be "salvotion" or "salvo" ?
Smoove wrote:
Also, it's "salvo" (as in a volley of shots) not "salvation" (as in being saved). Not making fun here, since your English is far better than my Swedish (or my Spanish), I just know that many people like guidance on mistakes like this when working in a foreign language so that their skills improve.
He was a fulltime pro so 100+ weeks was nothing strange for him of course. How many of the runners here at LRC can say they are fulltime runners?
COACH J.S å ä ö wrote:
Great! At least one more salvation from the high mileage brigade. "The Magic" is not about how many miles you run. It`s more a matter of how you run your miles.
No. Building mileage introduces doubt in me, my post was in awe of the high mileage brigade.
COACH J.S å ä ö wrote:
He was a fulltime pro so 100+ weeks was nothing strange for him of course. How many of the runners here at LRC can say they are fulltime runners?
How would I know, and that doesn´t change the point. But personally, as I´ve said I´ve done multiple times over 100mpw, while working. Did months of 100-120mpw in the hard weeks in the winter before ran pb´s at 400m, 800m, 1000m and 5k.
Nbdfhjk wrote:
Smoove, don't even pay attention to that person's posts. It's a troll. They feed on attention.
Did you know that the word "troll" comes from the Scandinavian culture and it`s awful " Trolls" in " sagor", saga.?
I did a 101 miles, spring break, sophmore year of high school. Took 56 seconds off my two mile the first meet after spring break.
Never came close to that much again for two reasons:
My HS coach preached against 'junk miles'.
100 mpw is hard.
COACH J.S å ä ö wrote:
He was a fulltime pro so 100+ weeks was nothing strange for him of course. How many of the runners here at LRC can say they are fulltime runners?
How would I know, and that doesn´t change the point. But personally, as I´ve said I´ve done multiple times over 100mpw, while working. Did months of 100-120mpw in the hard weeks in the winter before ran pb´s at 400m, 800m, 1000m and 5k.[/quote]
May I ask what the PR:s are? Just curious.
53,01 1.58,40 2.34,12 15.43. Ran a lifetime pb at 800 next summer 1.57,43 in my second race of the summer (opened season with a 52,7 400 split), had a feeling that 1.55xx is a possibility but almost right after the 800 pb got a hamstring injury, even though trained only about 100 km per week that year with more quality.
U.N.O. wrote:
COACH J.S å ä ö wrote:He was a fulltime pro so 100+ weeks was nothing strange for him of course. How many of the runners here at LRC can say they are fulltime runners?
How would I know, and that doesn´t change the point. But personally, as I´ve said I´ve done multiple times over 100mpw, while working. Did months of 100-120mpw in the hard weeks in the winter before ran pb´s at 400m, 800m, 1000m and 5k.
I did the same. Working fulltime and did 100+ weeks . A lot of weeks. My "peak" was 175 miles one week (no work that week). I kept on like that until I was age 26. Then I read an article in Runners World about J.Daniels and exact paces. Since that day I quit running doubles and the years up to age 30 I just ran the best times of my running life.
COACH J.S
averaged 125 for the entire year last year. 86 was the low.. 150 was the high.
And I know that I was slow, but at least I managed to improve almost year after year, with the same mediocre basic speed and keep my 400m times between 53-54 seconds while improving the 800m from 2.05 when was 19years old, to 1.57 (27 years old) and my 1000m from 2.39 (19 years old) to 2.34 (26 yrs). 5k improved from 16.45 (22 yrs) to 15.43 (26 years old). Ran 3k indoors 8.57 as well. I tried different things, made mistakes but learned from those mistakes a lot. Basically all I did was training, working and "studying" about training almost 10 years. I bought / ordered all of the books of running and training which I could get and found interesting.
Have to go to bed, I´ve got a 10k race tomorrow...only for fun though, but sub 40min is a must.
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