You saw Sagan's elbow, you saw Cav shoot for a small space, and you saw the Tour schedule a inevitable sprint finish stage on a narrow, winding road. Where should blame primarily be placed?
You saw Sagan's elbow, you saw Cav shoot for a small space, and you saw the Tour schedule a inevitable sprint finish stage on a narrow, winding road. Where should blame primarily be placed?
"whose"
1) Cav - stupid to try to sneak through against the rail
1a) The tour - that finish was asking for carnage
I don't blame Sagan, his elbow only really went out after first contact - probably just a reaction
Entirely Alberto Salazar's fault.
Race jury blames Sagan. They kicked him out.
Race jury actively endangers their own riders, it's every year now that a big contender goes down because the tour fails to act in the riders' interests.
Can't find video of the incident online
Greatest 4:40 miler in history wrote:
Race jury actively endangers their own riders, it's every year now that a big contender goes down because the tour fails to act in the riders' interests.
Not sure what the race jury is supposed to do about that.
As far as today, I don't see how you can blame the race organizers for that crash at the finish. Demare starts the problems by coming from the middle of the road all the way to the right side shutting the door on Sagan, which in turn caused him to cut off Cav, who probably didn't have enough time to realize the gap that was big enough when he started going for it was now too small. Cav road into the back left side of Sagan and couldn't stay upright. After Cav was already on the way down, Sagan stuck out his elbow, maybe to move Cav maybe to balance himself, either way something he probably shouldn't have done that looks bad but in reality is not what caused the crash.
By far the most egregious action by a sprinter on the stage was actually when Sagan pushed Greipel out of the way in the intermediate sprint.
Cavendish but Sagan is getting tossed from the Tour.
You're welcome
Arigato wrote:
Can't find video of the incident online
A time of incident.
An overhead view.
Sagan clearly moved left to right to pass. He caused the contact with Cavendish because he was forcing a gap which didn't really exist. Cav never strayed off his line. He was already there.
Sagan is rightly booted.
I am LR wrote:
Entirely Alberto Salazar's fault.
No, this is obviously Dave Smith's fault.
Wow! I can't believe they disqualified the best cyclist in the world from the TDF. I figured maybe he should lose today's result but completely out of the tour is really surprising. Very controversial. After watching the replays many times I think they should share the blame. Sagan's elbow was probably more than what was justified, but Cav was trying to thread the needle through a gap that really wasn't there. This sucks because Sagan is the most entertaining rider in the race, like Usain Bolt is to track and field. But I guess they wanted to send a message for the safety of all riders that this sort of behavior will not be tolerated.
Ultradude wrote:
Wow! I can't believe they disqualified the best cyclist in the world from the TDF. I figured maybe he should lose today's result but completely out of the tour is really surprising. Very controversial. After watching the replays many times I think they should share the blame. Sagan's elbow was probably more than what was justified, but Cav was trying to thread the needle through a gap that really wasn't there. This sucks because Sagan is the most entertaining rider in the race, like Usain Bolt is to track and field. But I guess they wanted to send a message for the safety of all riders that this sort of behavior will not be tolerated.
Cav was trying to cutoff Sagan by claiming a gap that Sagan was already filling in. Stupid move by Cav. Stupid of the TDF "officials" to toss Sagan to protect Cav.
So glad running does not involve all the expensive token equipment and broken bones that plague cycling.
It's a good thing none of you are the TDF judges. Cav was already in that gap against the barrier and Sagan moved left to right and kept on moving right- right into Cav.
Cav held his line and Sagan did not. It's pretty clear to me and the TDF officials. And Sagan had lots more room on the left. Totally his fault.
MarathonMind wrote:
It's a good thing none of you are the TDF judges. Cav was already in that gap against the barrier and Sagan moved left to right and kept on moving right- right into Cav.
Cav held his line and Sagan did not. It's pretty clear to me and the TDF officials. And Sagan had lots more room on the left. Totally his fault.
In the case of a car accident it is always the person behind who is at fault. Cav would be liable. Sagan would not. Cav was never ahead of Sagan to make it Sagan's error.
So, total Cav's fault.
not in the gap wrote:
MarathonMind wrote:It's a good thing none of you are the TDF judges. Cav was already in that gap against the barrier and Sagan moved left to right and kept on moving right- right into Cav.
Cav held his line and Sagan did not. It's pretty clear to me and the TDF officials. And Sagan had lots more room on the left. Totally his fault.
In the case of a car accident it is always the person behind who is at fault. Cav would be liable. Sagan would not. Cav was never ahead of Sagan to make it Sagan's error.
So, total Cav's fault.
Not so with sprinting cyclists. It's about holding the line. Sagan was most at fault. Disappointed to see him DQd, though.