800M Final Men - strange tactics and tussle

And in the end, it cost them the 1-2 win. oh well, at least Korir got some glory

Korir will almost for sure get DQ'd

stuhdoidfddf wrote:

Why on earth didn't the two UTEP frosh take it out and destroy the entire field? Very strange tactics considering they are better than everyone else.

Why because it's hard to lead from start to finish. Did you watch sub-2?? Drafting is big.

They were about to totally dominate and go 1-2. The only problem was Korir forgot that an 800 doesn't even start until 600. He didn't like being boxed in and panicked.

Here is what I wrote in another thread.

To me, the idea that you can get DQd for fouling your own teammate is absurd and it shows you why our sport isn't popular and is a joke at times.

I mean in football, you don't get called for pushing your own guy.

But trust me, you can get DQd for fouling your own teammate as it happened to me when I was coaching at Cornell.

And I think Korir may get DQd. If you didn't see the race, the two UTEP guys were moving up right before 600. Korir had been boxed in a bit and seemed antsy which is so stupid as he's so good, he wasn't going to lose. Anyway, he passed a Vtech runner on the inside while his teammate passed him on the outside. Korir lost his balance almost went into the infield but didn't. He then stabilized himself and took a few strides without incident. They were now starting the turn and his teammate who was slightly ahead got clipped from behind and went down.

When you watch it live, I can see how you say DQ KOrir - that's what I thought live - but I don't think the teammate had a stride and a half or two strides (how much are you supposed to have) to technically cut in.

Place Athlete Affiliation Time

1 Emmanuel KORIR FR UTEP 1:45.03

2 Isaiah HARRIS SO Penn State 1:45.40

3 Joseph WHITE JR Georgetown 1:45.73

4 Robert HEPPENSTALL SO Wake Forest 1:46.68

5 Andres ARROYO SR Florida 1:47.28

6 Drew PIAZZA SR Virginia Tech 1:47.58

7 Devin DIXON FR Texas A&M 1:49.32

8 Michael SARUNI FR UTEP 2:15.56

Definitely agree on one point - he did indeed panic. too bad... they had it in the bag

I usually agree with you Rojo but you're wrong here. Korir should be thrown out because he had no open lane to get out of the box. He forced his way up the inside with no space causing multiple fouls. If he couldn't get out of the box that way it changes the entire race as he has to wait. Clear cut DQ for me.

This is just inexperience showing.

Korir was badly boxed with 200 to go and he panicked. Totally unnecessary since he could have got out over the next 100m and still won the race. Anyway, he panicked and passed the VT guy on the inside (stepping on the rail in the process and it looked like he clipped the VT guy). This was a crazy move and ultimately the thing that led to him clipping his teammate. His team mate had passed the VT guy on the outside and assumed he was good to move in after he cleared him. But with Korir racing up on the inside, he cut in to Korir.

Utter stupidity from Korir.

I don't think he'll get DQ'd as he didn't cause any issues for the runner he passed (that i recall)

stuhdoidfddf wrote:

I don't think he'll get DQ'd as he didn't cause any issues for the runner he passed (that i recall)

Well the race is no longer "Under Review" in the online results, so I guess he won't be DQed.

It'll be "Under Protest" soon. VT should be right on that.

Dissagree.

If you make illegal moves you should be DQed. If you are fouling a teammate in an 800 you are probably also disrupting the race for others.

Track has a team component but is still an individual sport. You can't compare it to football. There are pretty straight forward options for individual gains from fouling a teammate. And we judge track athletes by individual performances not on how their team does.

rojo wrote:

To me, the idea that you can get DQd for fouling your own teammate is absurd and it shows you why our sport isn't popular and is a joke at times.

I mean in football, you don't get called for pushing your own guy.

So if I pull my teammate down in the final 100m so I can win, it's all good?

A DQ makes sense and would be appropriate.

rojo wrote:

To me, the idea that you can get DQd for fouling your own teammate is absurd and it shows you why our sport isn't popular and is a joke at times.

Hey guess what, track is both a team and INDIVIDUAL sport. Do you think it would have been all right for Cheserek to body slam Jenkins to the ground on the final stretch to take the individual title and then expect the officials to do nothing? I mean, they were teammates after all. (I know that didn't actually happen, I'm giving a hypothetical). We have hard rules for a reason, and we don't generally want discretion involved when someone does something they're not supposed to.

From Rojo:

"To me, the idea that you can get DQd for fouling your own teammate is absurd and it shows you why our sport isn't popular and is a joke at times."

I've seen 5-6 different "the reason our sport isn't popular" posts by The Rooj in recent weeks. Why doesn't he admit that its just not popular because it's effing track and field?

800m U (PSU) with another super talent in Harris.

observer_of_things wrote:

This is just inexperience showing.

Korir was badly boxed with 200 to go and he panicked. Totally unnecessary since he could have got out over the next 100m and still won the race. Anyway, he panicked and passed the VT guy on the inside (stepping on the rail in the process and it looked like he clipped the VT guy). This was a crazy move and ultimately the thing that led to him clipping his teammate. His team mate had passed the VT guy on the outside and assumed he was good to move in after he cleared him. But with Korir racing up on the inside, he cut in to Korir.

Utter stupidity from Korir.

Yep. He shouldn't panic as the 800 doesn't even really start until 600.

Do you think the no-DQ was the right call? Decide for yourself.

Just watched it; he def should not have been dq'd and the call was correct. His initial move was similar to the moves centro made in rio and mak in London to remain at the head of the pack: aggressive but legal.

Track is above all an individual sport. Only in America do we try to score it. Aside from the fact the method used for scoring is flawed, I hate the impact it has on how coaches use athletes, on how coaches look to DQ kids who had no direct impact to them, and perhaps most meta on how ADs view the sport and its coaches.

That said, my first instinct from purely an eye test viewpoint was something didn't appear right with this. To me the pass on the inside was more egregious than the trip, because that's certainly a more intentional action, though one can say one led to the other. The fact these two are teammates shouldn't factor into the equation (because it's only really relevant for scoring purposes). I certainly don't believe he tripped him on purpose, but anybody who knows racing, knows the person you want to beat most is your teammate. Lesson learned: don't get trapped inside and don't try to pass on the inside.

Why did the guy at the back of the pack step on the fallen runner?

Big As Hell Runner wrote:

I've seen 5-6 different "the reason our sport isn't popular" posts by The Rooj in recent weeks. Why doesn't he admit that its just not popular because it's effing track and field?

Rojo is the reason our sport isn't popular.