He's got range, Olympic medals, sub 13/27, 3:50 mile. Have any other distance whites even come close? Do you consider him genetically gifted?
He's got range, Olympic medals, sub 13/27, 3:50 mile. Have any other distance whites even come close? Do you consider him genetically gifted?
If he was the most genetically gifted runner he probably wouldn't have been taking Testoboost as a HSer.. Probably would have won NCAA titles befor his 5 year when the androgel rumors on Letsrun started. Wouldn't have needed infusions of more than 50ml of L-Cartinine to run sub 13/27/ and hit 3:50 in the mile.
That's just me though. We may view genetically gifted in different terms.
Umm... ever heard of Alan Webb?
Rupp's certainly had the best distance career of any white guy in quite some time. It's impossible to know how much of that is due to talent versus intelligent long-term development vs exogenous aids. My guess is that his success has had less to do with talent and more to do with the latter two. I tend to think that guys who emerged as world class distance runners at younger ages like Ritz, Hall and Kennedy are/were more naturally talented distance runners than Rupp. There are also a number of recent white middle distance guys that I'd also say are more naturally talented than Rupp: Webb, Centro Jr, Murphy, Willis to name a few. But again, Rupp has put together a better career to date than any of these guys.
3hr-marathoner wrote:
. I tend to think that guys who emerged as world class distance runners at younger ages like Ritz, Hall and Kennedy are/were more naturally talented distance runners than Rupp.
Didn´t Rupp run 13,37 in HS?
I would imagine that there are hundreds if not thousands of more genetically gifted white runners in the world who are extremely talented. Some of them probably play soccer, and some of them probably play chess.
A good point. Do not overlook the fact that Salazar saw Rupp playing soccer at age 14 and was so impressed with his running that he basically stole him from the soccer coach. Soccer uses more running per average field player per game than any other ball sport, so yeah soccer has some very talented runners.
As for Rupp, he still plays in pick-up games and isn't bad at soccer, either.
TrackBot! VDOT 13:37 5000m
VDOT for 13:37 5.0km: 77.8
Equivalent race times based on VDOT:
Marathon: 02:10:40
Half marathon: 01:02:21
15K: 00:43:24
10K: 00:28:20
5K: 00:13:37
3Mi: 00:13:07
2Mi: 00:08:26
3200m: 00:08:23
3K: 00:07:49
1Mi: 00:03:57
1600m: 00:03:55
1500m: 00:03:39
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Jim Ryun
Bill Rogers
Paavo Nurmi
Roger Bannister
Alberto Cova
Emile Puttemans
and many more before GR
TrackBot wrote:
VDOT for 13:37 5.0km: 77.8
Equivalent race times based on VDOT:
Marathon: 02:10:40
Half marathon: 01:02:21
15K: 00:43:24
10K: 00:28:20
5K: 00:13:37
3Mi: 00:13:07
2Mi: 00:08:26
3200m: 00:08:23
3K: 00:07:49
1Mi: 00:03:57
1600m: 00:03:55
1500m: 00:03:39
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Compraring HS times, Ritz' 13:45 isn't as good as Rupp's 13:37. Webb's 3:53 is better than both according to Daniels.
Food_for_Trolls wrote:
He's got range, Olympic medals, sub 13/27, 3:50 mile. Have any other distance whites even come close? Do you consider him genetically gifted?
Did Dr Brown and Salazar do genetic testing on tge NOP runners? If not, all this talk of "genetically gifted" is imaginary.
Old Ultra Guy wrote:
Jim Ryun
Bill Rogers
Paavo Nurmi
Roger Bannister
Alberto Cova
Emile Puttemans
and many more before GR
Carlos Lopes should be at the top of this list.
3 time World Cross champion
Olympic Marathon Gold- LA
Olympic 10000M Silver- Montreal
10000M PR was less than 4 sec from WR
2:07:12 Rotterdam Marathon PR and WR
Lukas Verzbicas might be more genetically gifted. Webb probably, too.
Rupp's success has largely been the result of very smart, consistent training over a long period of time. He's obviously a very gifted runner, but who knows how others would stack up with similar consistency in their development.
Um, EC wrote:
Old Ultra Guy wrote:Jim Ryun
Bill Rogers
Paavo Nurmi
Roger Bannister
Alberto Cova
Emile Puttemans
and many more before GR
Carlos Lopes should be at the top of this list.
3 time World Cross champion
Olympic Marathon Gold- LA
Olympic 10000M Silver- Montreal
10000M PR was less than 4 sec from WR
2:07:12 Rotterdam Marathon PR and WR
Lopes gets the award for being trainable, not for raw ability.
Old Ultra Guy wrote:
Jim Ryun
Bill Rogers
Paavo Nurmi
Roger Bannister
Alberto Cova
Emile Puttemans
and many more before GR
With the exception of Ryun's 1:39, Rupp has faster pr's than everyone on the list at every distance.
Of course, he's genetically gifted to be at that level in the first place. All of them are at that level...no surprises there.
The rest of us, despite good coaching & hard training, simply don't have the "gennnnnetics" to compete at that level...nothing new there.
consistent training wrote:
Lukas Verzbicas might be more genetically gifted. Webb probably, too.
Rupp's success has largely been the result of very smart, consistent training over a long period of time. He's obviously a very gifted runner, but who knows how others would stack up with similar consistency in their development.
Lukas and Webb trained more than most other highschool runners. That does not support your argument. Lukas was doing "3x" the workload of an average highschool runner.
wamm wrote:
consistent training wrote:Lukas Verzbicas might be more genetically gifted. Webb probably, too.
Rupp's success has largely been the result of very smart, consistent training over a long period of time. He's obviously a very gifted runner, but who knows how others would stack up with similar consistency in their development.
Lukas and Webb trained more than most other highschool runners. That does not support your argument. Lukas was doing "3x" the workload of an average highschool runner.
Why is the fact that they worked hard in high school counter to the claim that they have genetic talent? We never got to see either of them develop with the same kind of consistent training that Rupp has had.
Yep. Even Robbie Andrews in terms of raw talent
consistent training wrote:
Lukas Verzbicas might be more genetically gifted. Webb probably, too.
Rupp's success has largely been the result of very smart, consistent training over a long period of time. He's obviously a very gifted runner, but who knows how others would stack up with similar consistency in their development.