LRC note: The thread incorrectly stated that Miller was 14. He was 15 when he ran this time. His DOB is January 30, 2002
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LRC note: The thread incorrectly stated that Miller was 14. He was 15 when he ran this time. His DOB is January 30, 2002
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Thank you for waking me, I must have slept through the other lengthy threads on this matter.
I mean seriously, did really think you were breaking news here you dipfcck?
The kid looks freakishly mature. Already got a 'stache. Still, if he's 14, that's an amazing time.
55.2 and comes back 55.7, kid is a stud!
Just wow... wrote:
The kid looks freakishly mature. Already got a 'stache. Still, if he's 14, that's an amazing time.
I coached a kid this year who is a freshman and looked older. The kid I coached was really slow, though. Well, not "really" slow, but at least moderately slow, running a 57 in the open 400. The weird thing is the kid I coach really does look like he should be fast. He even looks fast when he is running, but then the times are slow.
I am from Missouri, and I've watched C.J. Jones (ran 1:49 in HS) and this gentlemen at a few meets.
By all accounts, they are nice guys and work hard. Having said that, they will be subject to criticism because of two factors:
1: They are both early maturers. They simply got more of the testosterone burst from puberty early in their running career compared to many athletes. Those of us who coach have all had athletes like this.
2.: They ran age group track extensively before their high school careers. This means they are (or were, in the case of CJ) already farther along on their improvement curve than many athletes just taking up the sport.
With athletes like Brandon and CJ, you just won't see freakish time drops from freshman to senior year like you do with kids who either take up the sport as 14 year olds or hit puberty fully at 16.
Trust me, Brandon is aged correctly. He's a nice, fast, hardworking kid who has already run track and hit a good chunk of his physical maturity.
And no sheet Sherlock! When ANYONE is running 1:50, there ain't many places you can go in a hurry. The overwhelmingly vast majority of HS 800 runners dont EVER get near 1:50.
By accounts I am aware of, he is not overtrained or been ridden hard. He had NO indoor results this year and apparently did some small amount of XC. Then he did not start racing until a few weeks ago. He has far far fewer races under his belt than many other 9th grade stars. He rarely seems to double either.
Using maturity as an excuse doesn't fly either. He holds age records going way back. I saw him a few years ago at a national meet (forget which one) and he looked smallish for his age and smoked the field like I have not seen since at a national meet.
RacingtheCanteloupe wrote:
I am from Missouri, and I've watched C.J. Jones (ran 1:49 in HS) and this gentlemen at a few meets.
By all accounts, they are nice guys and work hard. Having said that, they will be subject to criticism because of two factors:
1: They are both early maturers. They simply got more of the testosterone burst from puberty early in their running career compared to many athletes. Those of us who coach have all had athletes like this.
2.: They ran age group track extensively before their high school careers. This means they are (or were, in the case of CJ) already farther along on their improvement curve than many athletes just taking up the sport.
With athletes like Brandon and CJ, you just won't see freakish time drops from freshman to senior year like you do with kids who either take up the sport as 14 year olds or hit puberty fully at 16.
Trust me, Brandon is aged correctly. He's a nice, fast, hardworking kid who has already run track and hit a good chunk of his physical maturity.
Very well said. It's disappointing that kids who develop early are under such a microscope. Peel back the covers and I think you'll find racial bias as well. Caucasians tend to reach puberty later (although it's complicated) and I'd bet we don't recognize nuance of development in different races than our own, just as we are more likely to make mistakes in cross-racial eyewitness identification.
18 year old wrote:
That guy is 18 at the youngest.
http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/stltoday.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/d/b2/db20239e-9fc9-11e6-a387-170a15b90968/5817e13f79546.image.jpghttps://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s750x750/sh0.08/e35/13743302_1257119307644536_1984120401_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTMwOTQ1ODIzNzcyOTI0NTg1MQ%3D%3D.2
Idk what black kids you have been looking at but he definitely doesn't look 18 lmao. I guess black guys mature earlier and then look younger well into their 50s and 60s lol
A small improvement from middle school last year when he negative split 1:51.23 (56.51 & 54.72).
I'm so glad this young man does not self-identify as female.
I'm curious why early developed children are always bashed here. Every child that has ever excelled at any sport at an early age has developed early. That's why they're excelling! Is it the whole jealousy model of 'it's better than I did at that age so I need to belittle them to justify my worth' thing?
Do you think people said Lebron didnt really belong in commercials and the NBA at 18 because he looked like a man at age 11? The special ones develop early. The average ones (us) still look like baby fawns when we're 16.
He is just a "choice" away from a World (senior at that) Record!
Mark Boen wrote:
I'm so glad this young man does not self-identify as female.
Puberty is good wrote:
I'm curious why early developed children are always bashed here. Every child that has ever excelled at any sport at an early age has developed early. That's why they're excelling! Is it the whole jealousy model of 'it's better than I did at that age so I need to belittle them to justify my worth' thing?
Do you think people said Lebron didnt really belong in commercials and the NBA at 18 because he looked like a man at age 11? The special ones develop early. The average ones (us) still look like baby fawns when we're 16.
I don't know, Seb Coe and Steve Cram both looked like Bambi at 19-21.
Jakob Ingebrigtsen also looks like a kid.
Buck Hunter wrote:
Puberty is good wrote:I'm curious why early developed children are always bashed here. Every child that has ever excelled at any sport at an early age has developed early. That's why they're excelling! Is it the whole jealousy model of 'it's better than I did at that age so I need to belittle them to justify my worth' thing?
Do you think people said Lebron didnt really belong in commercials and the NBA at 18 because he looked like a man at age 11? The special ones develop early. The average ones (us) still look like baby fawns when we're 16.
I don't know, Seb Coe and Steve Cram both looked like Bambi at 19-21.
Jakob Ingebrigtsen also looks like a kid.
I'll take your word for it.
This kid Miller looks 14. I've seen not just still shots but some race footage and an interview he did. He's smallish, for one. The idea that compared to the football players at his school (who tower over him, taller, much bigger, much more developed) this boy somehow looks mannish is simply laughable. Having worked at high schools where the children are predominantly black and where they are predominantly white, I really doubt, in either environment, that this boy would stand out relative to his peers in any way other than his foot speed.
Buck Hunter wrote:
Puberty is good wrote:I'm curious why early developed children are always bashed here. Every child that has ever excelled at any sport at an early age has developed early. That's why they're excelling! Is it the whole jealousy model of 'it's better than I did at that age so I need to belittle them to justify my worth' thing?
Do you think people said Lebron didnt really belong in commercials and the NBA at 18 because he looked like a man at age 11? The special ones develop early. The average ones (us) still look like baby fawns when we're 16.
I don't know, Seb Coe and Steve Cram both looked like Bambi at 19-21.
Jakob Ingebrigtsen also looks like a kid.
To be correct, the best male age group and high school athletes are almost always ahead of the maturity curve in every sport. For females it tends to be having more boyish characteristics. In many ways, this is what we call talent and you certainly can't blame the athletes for this gift. As has been stated, progress with these kids do slow down and other kids will catchup to an extent, but they are chasing a moving target.
Buck Hunter wrote:
[quote]Puberty is good wrote:
Jakob Ingebrigtsen also looks like a kid.
He is taller than Henrik, so...yeah
http://www.thepicta.com/media/1301454347918244933_193137852I was a late bloomer and went from 52x/1:57x to 49x/1:51x in about 18 months mainly because I grew 2 inches and added about 10 pound of mostly muscle. However, I still did not catch up to some of the kid's who were running 1:51 when I was running 1:57. When you are running 1:50 in your early teens, you don't need to improve by very much.
Reed Brown breaks 4 and everyone in that thread pats him on the back. Brandon Miller runs 1:50 as a freshman and all I see in this thread is people downplaying his performance and talking about how he looks overdeveloped and implying he's not going to improve.
I bet if Miller eventually breaks granvilles high school record of 1:46 you idiots will point out how he "looks like he's 30" and already peaked.
I also remember when a lot of people said lebron wouldn't improve coming out of high school to the NBA because he looked physically mature. Some even felt that this guy named Darko had a higher ceiling because he looked much younger and had more growth potential. See how that turned out....
