In general what times would you say would be good for an 8th grader running the 800, 1600 and 3200.
In general what times would you say would be good for an 8th grader running the 800, 1600 and 3200.
A good 8th grade boy will break 5 for the mile, but it doesn't mean anything if he doesn't. Even frosh. and soph. times are rarely indicative of late high school or collegiate success.
800 - < 2.05 great, 2.10 really good, 2.20, good
mile - 4.50 great, 5 really good, 5. 20 good
junior high sucks wrote:
A good 8th grade boy will break 5 for the mile
Really?
In the province of Ontario, population 12 million, I don't know if there are more than 20 boys in grade 8 who can run a mile in under 5 minutes. Surely we have more than 20 good runners?
luke wrote:
800 - < 2.05 great, 2.10 really good, 2.20, good
mile - 4.50 great, 5 really good, 5. 20 good
2:05 and 4:50 are not comparable
they were for me, my best times in high school were 4:54 and 2:04
My son ran a 4:37 in the 8th grade, ran 4:26 last year for a 9th grader, and a 9:40 3200.
my son nearly broke 4 in the mile when he was in 8th grade, but then he got injured, yea it really sucked.
Agree with Luke - good breakdown.
I'd have to agree with running...205 and 450 arent comparable probably more like
210 215 220
450 500 510
i was between 500 and 510 as 8th grader and maybe 217ish for half...but i really dont rememeber. i do remember hs.
There was a 4:32 8th grader in Iowa last year. ZING!
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I'm an 8 grade boy right now with pr's of 54.7, 2:07.2, 4:56.3(only one of my times from 7 grade, i think i can do a lot better now), and 10:32.
I agree with luke on everything except the 1600. I think in order to be considered a great 8th grade 1600 runner you should have a pr around 4:43-4:45. I think the word "great" is being used a little to easily now days.
Dan
good would be anything under 5:30 i think. very good would be under 5. as far as great, probably 4:30's or under. i ran 5:26 in 8th grade and two years later im running 4:21 and 9:19.
Toledo's public junior high meet records don't look like much and we've had some pretty good runners come through (1:52, 4:11, 9:09 and such). Even the 4x100 record is something ugly-slow like 45.0, and that was a great bunch of athletes -- leadoff leg is in his 13th NBA season, second leg was a state 100m champ and a Heisman finalist, third leg played CB in the NFL for eight years, anchor was a two-time Big East champ and the last HS sprinter to beat Chris Nelloms.
The most important talent a junior-high kid can have is to like to run. You have literally no idea whether he's done all his growing and never improve much, or blossom into a super-stud. Neither Pre nor Shorter ran before high school and I don't think either would have been exceptional if they had.
45 for a bunch of 8th graders for the 4 by 100 is fast, what the hell are you talking about. that's under 12 for each leg on average.
What I mean is that it looks pretty slow when you're used to watching HS kids, kinda like a 4:59 mile.
jsquire wrote:
anchor was a two-time Big East champ and the last HS sprinter to beat Chris Nelloms.
Wasn't Nelloms last beaten his senior year in the 110 HH by Glenn Terry of Cincinnati Sycamore?
stupid. they aren't high school kids, you can't compare it out of context like that. 45 is real fast for a team of middle schoolers so why ridicule them by comparing them to kids as much as 4 years older than them?
In 8th grade I went 2:08, 4:47, :55. Mainly, it depends on how physically mature the individual is. I was about 5'10'' in 8th grade. (now 6'2'') So far my current PRs are :51, 1:55, 4:19, 9:37(rarely run) and 26:06(8k) as a college junior. At that age (8th grade) times are highly relative to physical maturity. Some of my college teammates didn't run the times I ran in 8th grade until the sophomore or even junior years in HS. One individual has now gone 1:54, 4:08, and 24:40 in college. After all, Alan Webb barely broke 5 in junior high, and he's a 3:50 miler. Whereas I broke 4:50 and I'll never be a 3:50 miler. If the kid is shaving and running 4:30 in 8th grade, don't expect huge improvements. If he has no body hair at all, expect a lot more improvment.
ohioan wrote:
Wasn't Nelloms last beaten his senior year in the 110 HH by Glenn Terry of Cincinnati Sycamore?
Not quite. Terry was a year older, so Nelloms last lost when he was a junior. The last time he lost a SPRINT race to a high schooler was when he was a freshman, and Chris Brown of Toledo DeVilbiss beat him in the 200m at the state meet.
We can only speculate what kind of physical events he's involved in now. . .