Boulder or Flagstaff

Well, I would never really want to live in Boulder. Way too liberal and WAY overpriced for property (thanks to stupid land use laws).

Flagstaff is pretty nice. Been there a couple of times. Cost of living seems pretty reasonable.

I prefer where I live now. Moderate altitude, temperate climate, not much snow, good trails, good running groups, airport to get anywhere in the world. Housing costs are higher than national average, but hey, can't have it all.

where is this place?

I live in Boulder and love it for the reasons why Luv2Run hates it. Property is very expensive because it's a great place to live and people are willing to pay a premium for that.

If training is your primary focus and you're willing to drive down the mountain to get in an occasional lower altitude run, I would certainly give Flagstaff a try.

Anyone ever heard of this place called Eugene???

so eugene, flastaff, boulder...

what other options???

A while ago there was a thread about Las Vegas, New Mexico. Sounded like a group of guys has a training group. Altitude and good weather. Does anybody know anything about Alpine, Texas. South and east of El Paso, at altitude 4500 ft, with access to higher, good weather for the most part from what I hear. I am sure there are plenty of small town like this, just depends what you are looking for.

The world best marathon runners are training in ABQ.

Paula Radcliff and Khalid K.

Even the top milers in the U.S came to ABQ this winter for training ( David Krumenacker and Alan Webb )

Graham Hood,Pascal Dobert,the top Morrocon female on the roads ( I can not remember her name )Andrei K. plus many more.

If you want second best ,go ahead and go to Boulder.

Eddy

The cry babies go to Boulder.

The pretenders and the cry babies come on this board and cry endlessly about Boulder.

Which of the runners Eddy refers to make ABQ a home training base? That's right, none.

albuquerque is a scummy town of nothing but suburban sprawl...and it trys to call itself a city. you couldn't pay me to live there. i live in flagstaff and it is an ok place, but paradise when compared to ABQ. i am by no means a mountain town kind of guy, but hell if you are going some where to live to run, why go to ABQ where you have the mountains with all of the scummyness of strip mall usa??

Here in Boulder we have had near perfect training weather every single day since August. Rarely rains. Snow melts quickly. Flagsaff gets loads of snow.

MOAB is THE place to train. Southern Utah has great weather, VERY, VERY high altitudes and america's coolest scenery. Salt Lake/Park City are also great places to train. Running up Little Cottonwood canyon surrouded by peaks up to 11,500 feet from Sandy(a SLC suburb) is the great up hill 20km run around. Try to avoid the utards and the mormonoids, though it's hard to. The Utah locals suck

That is why Paula R left Flagstaff after her 2nd day. Which Sizzler or taco bell will you go to for dinner tonite in your snow shoes?

Sleddog I could never live in Flagstaff or Boulder it would cost me a fortune in gas money to go to the Phoenix or Denver airport twice a week.

In late spring and summer you will get stranded in Denver airport due the lightning storms.

Eddy

"Flag gets tons of snow"...That's funny considering it's snowed maybe 2-3 days all winter (I'm reffering to what we get in town, not on the ski resort). Cost of living is reasonable and the air quality is awesome, not to mention the 6800 ft. of elevation. If you train high/low, Camp

Verde (around 4000 ft.) is about 40 min. away and phx is around an hour and a half down the mountain. And you can find a decent job if you come at the right time i.e. Summer

good point, i hate the drive back fromthe phx airport after you arrive on a flight at 9pm....i have almost killed my self several times.

even better, after coming back from the Tour de France in 2001, i had been traveling for 18 hours already, then i had to wait at the greyhound station for 2 hours and then take a 2.5 hr greyhound ride back to flag.....nothing like leaving paris and 20 hours later sitting next to a smelly person with suspicious stains on their pants......

abc wrote:

I live in Boulder and love it for the reasons why Luv2Run hates it. Property is very expensive because it's a great place to live and people are willing to pay a premium for that.

It is popular, but when you have the city council passing stupid laws that make it difficult to build housing, it raises housing costs. Of course, there are always people who want to shut the door once they are inside.

If training is your primary focus and you're willing to drive down the mountain to get in an occasional lower altitude run, I would certainly give Flagstaff a try.

I say we all put our money where are mouths are. If you want to bitch and say that there is no place to eat in Flagstaff, well ok, but who bases their training on the best places to eat out. Has anyone heard of a grocery store? Plus, why have to drive to a trail when you can step out your front door and be gone for hours in Flag. I'd say give it a try before you knock it!

Alpine, TX? Why would you go there. Nice place to visit but not to live. I don't believe there is a running community at all there, you're still pretty far from civilization, if El Paso could be called civilization, and there really isn't that much land at higher elevation. You may remember that separatist gun freak group a few years ago in west Texas that holed up in their embassy (trailer home) claiming the state of Texas owed them back taxes and the FBI, ATF and other federal letters came and busted their asses-- that was in the Alpine/Marfa area.

x wrote:

A while ago there was a thread about Las Vegas, New Mexico. Sounded like a group of guys has a training group. Altitude and good weather. Does anybody know anything about Alpine, Texas. South and east of El Paso, at altitude 4500 ft, with access to higher, good weather for the most part from what I hear. I am sure there are plenty of small town like this, just depends what you are looking for.