Who has the most upside at the 1500m? When all is said and done, in terms of fastest time, in terms of accolades. Who would win right now in a 1500m face-off? In an all-out effort and in a tactical effort. Murphy has already blown Centro's doors off at the 1000m but if he trains for 1500m could he do the same there? Question is, will Murphy move to 1500m anytime soon? With his success at the 800m why would he? What does he ultimately want more?
1500m SHOWDOWN wrote:
Who has the most upside at the 1500m? When all is said and done, in terms of fastest time, in terms of accolades. Who would win right now in a 1500m face-off? In an all-out effort and in a tactical effort. Murphy has already blown Centro's doors off at the 1000m but if he trains for 1500m could he do the same there? Question is, will Murphy move to 1500m anytime soon? With his success at the 800m why would he? What does he ultimately want more?
The Olympic gold medalist or the guy who couldn't hit the A standard? Hmm... I'll think on it and get back to you.
The Olympic gold medalist or the guy who couldn't hit the A standard? Hmm... I'll think on it and get back to you.[/quote]
I agree, centro is a master tactician, and he can go out and run a fast race straight up. Although, I think murphy might get him if it came down to the last 200, but the last 300 or up, I think centro will kicker harder and earlier.
Overseas wrote:
The Olympic gold medalist or the guy who couldn't hit the A standard? Hmm... I'll think on it and get back to you.
what? Murphy doesn't even train for the 1500m, if he did you could bet your a$$ he'd blow off Centro's doors in a 3:50 jogfest. don't be disingenuous, we've never seen an american runner with Murphy's toolbox
He would blow Centro's doors off like the 800 silver medalist would?
Talent is as talent does wrote:
He would blow Centro's doors off like the 800 silver medalist would?
this isn't math class, I'm not talking about the transitive property.
like I said, Murphy has a toolbox we haven't seen before. the same clowns that said he would never medal or run under 1:45/44 will soon be eating crow when he shows up Centro
skimmme wrote:
Talent is as talent does wrote:He would blow Centro's doors off like the 800 silver medalist would?
this isn't math class, I'm not talking about the transitive property.
like I said, Murphy has a toolbox we haven't seen before. the same clowns that said he would never medal or run under 1:45/44 will soon be eating crow when he shows up Centro
I am actually a huge Murphy fan. I root for all Americans runners. Honestly, I root for most all runners in general. As a realist/cynic,
I assume that all of the ultra elite are cheating so their really aren't any "villains" in my track and field. I digress...
Anyways, let's stick to facts please. Murphy went after the 1500m last year. That is what he ran at NCAAs for goodness sake. He, his coach, and most of LRC clearly thought that the 1500m was where he had the most upside. Then, he missed the A qualifier and had to "settle" for the 800. It was his Plan B. It worked out magnificently and the rest is history.
So, I agree that Murphy has some talent in the 1500. He might go on to break 3:30 one day. With that said, he ain't matching Centro's career. Look at his global finishes. Unmatchable for Murphy. With that said, I think Murphy may end up with a better career than Centro. Just not based on 1500 results. The 800 is his event and he should/will stick to it.
IMO Murphy has no reason to move up. He is an incredible runner with incredible range. That said, I think he is a lot more likely to go 1:41.x for 800 than 3:29.x for 1500.
The 1500 will not go out over 2 minutes again in WC or Olympics for at least another 4 years after what happened in Rio. Murphy should keep running 1500s, 3000s and the occasional cross race to keep up his base. However, adding the 1500 during championship season will offer little upside and complicate his best event, the 800.
If Murphy can shave another second off his 800 and maintain his tactical savvy he will be a real threat to Rudisha and Makhdaddy as they age out.
Overseas wrote:
skimmme wrote:this isn't math class, I'm not talking about the transitive property.
like I said, Murphy has a toolbox we haven't seen before. the same clowns that said he would never medal or run under 1:45/44 will soon be eating crow when he shows up Centro
Anyways, let's stick to facts please. Murphy went after the 1500m last year. That is what he ran at NCAAs for goodness sake. He, his coach, and most of LRC clearly thought that the 1500m was where he had the most upside. Then, he missed the A qualifier and had to "settle" for the 800. It was his Plan B. It worked out magnificently and the rest is history.
If we're sticking to facts, leave out the conjecture about him and his coach thinking the 1500 was the better option and that they "settled" for the 8. Everyone keeps saying that and there isn't a lot of fact there. Trust me.
Get him off the sauce and Centro is a 3:37 man on his best day. Murphy is superior in every way.
CoachO wrote:
Overseas wrote:Anyways, let's stick to facts please. Murphy went after the 1500m last year. That is what he ran at NCAAs for goodness sake. He, his coach, and most of LRC clearly thought that the 1500m was where he had the most upside. Then, he missed the A qualifier and had to "settle" for the 800. It was his Plan B. It worked out magnificently and the rest is history.
If we're sticking to facts, leave out the conjecture about him and his coach thinking the 1500 was the better option and that they "settled" for the 8. Everyone keeps saying that and there isn't a lot of fact there. Trust me.
I mean they stated, after NCAAs, that he was going for the 1500m A standard and was going to run that at trials. But couldn't get it, so he 'settled' for the 800
Show me.
ThatAverageRunner wrote:
CoachO wrote:If we're sticking to facts, leave out the conjecture about him and his coach thinking the 1500 was the better option and that they "settled" for the 8. Everyone keeps saying that and there isn't a lot of fact there. Trust me.
I mean they stated, after NCAAs, that he was going for the 1500m A standard and was going to run that at trials. But couldn't get it, so he 'settled' for the 800
Well, in the 1500, I would think Jenkins would blow the doors off of both. He destroyed Centro in the Fifth Ave Mile. He can beat him and Murphy anywhere, anytime.
I think Murphy could match or better Coe's time in the 800 in the next few years, and eventually better Coe's 1500 time. I think he has much better potential in the 800, though, so I hope he sticks with that.
I think Centro can run 3:29 high in the right race, but probably not much faster than that.
Murphy ran like 8:15 in the 3K when he gave that a shot indoors. Centro can run 7:40. He's significantly stronger and is the best tactical middle distance runner in the world. Murphy's not outkicking Centro in a 1500 unless it's a 4:00+ race.
Ovett would make both look like pu$$ies...
right now centro would win in a 1500, but I have confidence that Murphy will have a faster PB by the end of his competitive career
CoachO wrote:
Show me.
ThatAverageRunner wrote:I mean they stated, after NCAAs, that he was going for the 1500m A standard and was going to run that at trials. But couldn't get it, so he 'settled' for the 800
Stop being lazy and look it up yourself. You keep saying 'everyone keeps saying it.' That's because it was documented -- even on LR.
Tyuhgfrtuubvf wrote:
Murphy ran like 8:15 in the 3K when he gave that a shot indoors. Centro can run 7:40. He's significantly stronger and is the best tactical middle distance runner in the world. Murphy's not outkicking Centro in a 1500 unless it's a 4:00+ race.
I think the 3k says it all really. Has there ever been a true miler that does so poorly in a fast 3k? He needs a lot more strength.
Talent is as talent does wrote:
Stop being lazy and look it up yourself. You keep saying 'everyone keeps saying it.' That's because it was documented -- even on LR.
You, and others, are making the assertion, not me. Thus, the onus is on you to prove that assertion.