We're spending $200 million on a suicide net at the Golden Gate bridge

Poitr poitr pumpkin eater wrote:

Studies have shown suicides are impulsive acts. If you help pause the act. You can prevent it entirely.

This! And bridge suicides are the most impulsive of them all. In many instances, the person is walking across the bridge and decides to commit suicide while on the bridge. They usually don't go to the bridge to commit suicide (although the golden gate one might be different because it is so iconic). It is very common for the jumper to leave a backpack or briefcase on the bridge.

defintely 100 percnt dawg wrote:

Dr. Detroit wrote:

Huge waste of tax money. Let them jump if they want to

the empathy that has come to be the hallmark of the GOP.

Exactly. But empathy is not something that can be taught or learned. This is yet another issue- like so many discussed on these boards- where no amount of discussion is going to change anyone's mind. Another litmus of the emotional, rather than rational brain.

Probably the only thing that might change the mind of someone against this project would be if a good friend or first degree relative were to jump off the bridge.

The dollar amount of kickbacks for all the contracts involved in this "project" must be in the tens of millions.

Spend that money on the rural areas suffering from drug abuse with no treatment centers.

did anyone watch the new report video?

seems like the "net" is stainless steel wire that appears to have no give. Looks like any jumper will suffer serious enough trauma and plays a significant factor in the ability and will of the person to follow thru and jump from the barrier. I assume studies shown the effectiveness of the barrier lies not so much in saving the jumper, but mostly acts as a deterrent .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_barrier

safety dance wrote:

did anyone watch the new report video?

seems like the "net" is stainless steel wire that appears to have no give. Looks like any jumper will suffer serious enough trauma and plays a significant factor in the ability and will of the person to follow thru and jump from the barrier. I assume studies shown the effectiveness of the barrier lies not so much in saving the jumper, but mostly acts as a deterrent .

We won't let you die but we are going to cripple you with horrific injuries and bankrupt you with multi-million dollar medical bills because this is the USA.

HRE wrote:

Again, putting a net under the bridge isn't infringing on anyone's "right" to kill himself. They just need to do it somewhere else.

Ok, but how do you get around the fact that it's a complete waste of money?

As others have suggested, this money could easily go toward providing drug treatment centers in areas where they don't exist, among many other things. (I don't agree with necessarily using public funds for that either, but at least that, done well, could lead to a return on the investment for communities).

you're a dunce wrote:

HRE wrote:

There are US states where attempted suicide is illegal.

No, there aren't.

Yes there are.

trumpty dumpty wrote:

The Wall of Trump wrote:

Exactly why Trump wants to spend well over $10 billion on a wall that won't change anything.

I'm really shocked at how ignorant but proud people like you are.

1) People cannot walk through walls.

2) Other walls like the Great Wall of China were a huge success at controlling border traffic

3) The wall is estimated to cost $10-30 billion. Illegal immigrants are estimated to cost around $100 billion per year (this includes their beneficial contributions to the economy and taxes). Even if we don't convince Mexico to pay, the wall will still pay for itself. So well that you could build the wall over 3 times per year and on the Canadian border as well

4) Illegal immigrants bring a lot of crime and other negative things

Saying a wall would have no effect means you have no idea what you're talking about.

1) Ever heard of an airplane?... or a ladder? Fact is a substantial plurality (upwards of 40%) come into the country legally through air travel, ships and border ports and simply overstay their visas.

2)False. First of all- the Great wall of China was first conceived over 2000 years ago, and the most recent sections were completed in the ming dynasty, when there were no airplanes. Secondly, the Great Wall of China came to be a symbol of Chinese Power, but it was not an effective barrier to foreigners. Case in point, the mongols conquered the Song dynasty in the 1270s, dumb*ss. Also, it was built at the cost of massive sums of money, and the deaths of hundreds if not thousands of peasant laborers. Hardly a beacon of progress for a democratic society.

3)Ok, the actual cost of unlawful immigrant households is not $100B, that is an estimate by the group FAIR, and cited by Donald Trump, which was evaluated as mostly false by Politifact, but that cost is largely households living in the united states already, which a wall will not diminish. Convince Mexico to pay? Are you stupid?... Wait, yes. clearly. Why would another sovereign power be willing to shell out billions of dollars to fund an anti-Mexican, nativist project that will likely accomplish nothing?

4) According to Pew Research center, and the Washington Post, both first generation and second generation immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than native-born people.

I'm shocked at how ignorant of your ignorance and prideful you are.

hippoc wrote:

Since when are conservatives as a group supportive of the right to die??

The most recent example: Ryan Care Bill.

I honestly don't understand what is going on in this world anymore. For 200 million dollars we could easily build a bomb or a plane to carry a bomb. God damn liberals hate bombs and murder in the name of pride. What we need is more pride and lust and greed and contempt for our fellow humans. For 200 million dollars we could make violent pride a national moto and engrave it on the Golden Gate Bridge. I hate liberals and love and humility most of all.

Where Dr. Jack Kevorkian when we really need him?

Grow up, little boy.

don't mess with nature wrote:

Suicide is nature's way of getting rid of excess baggage.

The bridge was built for 27 million or 1.5 billion in today's dollars. 200 million for a safety net? Safe to say you aren't getting the preferred customer rate. +/- 14% of the total bridge cost to build a net system? No way.

charles d wrote:

HRE wrote:

Again, putting a net under the bridge isn't infringing on anyone's "right" to kill himself. They just need to do it somewhere else.

Ok, but how do you get around the fact that it's a complete waste of money?

As others have suggested, this money could easily go toward providing drug treatment centers in areas where they don't exist, among many other things. (I don't agree with necessarily using public funds for that either, but at least that, done well, could lead to a return on the investment for communities).

If I'm in charge of the bridge and I don't want people killing themselves by jumping from it, If I recognize that offing themselves is their own business but just want don't want them doing that business from the bridge I'm responsible for, the money spent is not wasted. You might think it's wasted money but if I'm responsible for what goes on regarding the bridge I won't think so.

That's fine if it's privately funded. People can spend their money however they like. It's when public funds get thrown at it - my money and your money - that it becomes a problem.

Try a lower cost solution first like attaching a 10 foot high chain link fence adjacent to the bridge railing. A conservative cost per meter is about $100. Approximate cost is a little over half a million dollars. See if this works.

HRE wrote:

you're a dunce wrote:

No, there aren't.

Yes there are.

No, there aren't, you fvcking lying libturd. You can't prove it so you just continue lying.

Take your lies elsewhere.

At $200 million you are buying suicide prevention at $37037 per meter. The fence option costs $100 per meter, but call it a "suicide prevention barrier" and the cost jumps to $700 per meter. Even at this price you get your barrier for $3.8 million.