"Without the Big Shoe contracts that many of these runners are offered, enough of them would have continued racing barefoot, and two hours may have been broken years ago. So it’s possible that shoes have prevented 1:59 from being achieved to date."
Maffetone says a lot of things to attract attention to his unorthodox approach.
Who the eff is Maffetone?
Right, because the average Tarahumara male can easily break 2:00. And the average African elite who spends formative years running without shoes, doesn't bother putting them on when he lands a contract and can afford them. Obviously shoes suck.
Is this the same Dr. Phil with a TV show that knows Oprah and all that? Wow, didn't know he was a runner. Would have never guessed it from the extra weight he is carrying around.
Cash Me Ousside!
who dat? why should anyone care what he says?
For the record, i use MAF method for my training and think it works. But lets be real this guy says whacked stuff, in his book he says that he thinks that sub 1:52 marathon is possible. Like what the F?
Maffetoner2 wrote:
For the record, i use MAF method for my training and think it works. But lets be real this guy says whacked stuff, in his book he says that he thinks that sub 1:52 marathon is possible. Like what the F?
I'm a real believer in a big aerobic base, so I'm in accord with him to some extent (like to the degree that say, Lydiard would be). But 180-age is a non-starter for me, as well as some other things MAF says. And then there's the singing.
Wilson Kipsang grew up across the street from his school, wore shoes every day, ran no more as a youngster than I did. After graduating high school, he worked a sedentary job for a few years until he got inspired to take up running.
Within a decade he set the world record in the marathon.
Much of this magic barefoot Kenyan running 10k to school each day is myth.
I can maffturbate in 1:52
Kenyou wrote:
Wilson Kipsang grew up across the street from his school, wore shoes every day, ran no more as a youngster than I did. After graduating high school, he worked a sedentary job for a few years until he got inspired to take up running.
Within a decade he set the world record in the marathon.
Much of this magic barefoot Kenyan running 10k to school each day is myth.
See Running with the Kenyans, the author thought everyone in Kenya ran minimalist or on the forefoot. Then he went there and noticed all sorts foot planting.
Maffetone is somewhat of a legend that not many in todays world know of.
He was one of the first big thinkers when heart rate monitors came out. Advised Mark Allen who you all wouldn't know and a few others. Not sure about the sub 2 hour stuff but his book was good back in the day.
uknowlessthanudidyesterday wrote:
Maffetone is somewhat of a legend that not many in todays world know of.
He was one of the first big thinkers when heart rate monitors came out. Advised Mark Allen who you all wouldn't know and a few others. Not sure about the sub 2 hour stuff but his book was good back in the day.
He is a popsychologist with no scientific data to back his claims, his big secret is in slowing people down who would over run most runs. He used some gimmick formula and a heart rate monitor to baby sit a person. He never takes into account, heats effect on hr, sleep or lack of sleeps effect on hr, time of day effect on hr, individual fitness level effect on hr, a persons weight effect on hr, so on and so on. One can easily summarize that is you slow down, you can run more and farther and eventually you will become naturally faster from just running more.
Last year I ran 80% of my easy runs around 145BPM @ 8:45-9:30 a mile weighing 160lbs. This year I weigh 170lbs and I'm running the same paces at 155BPM, why? Because I'm heavier and my heart has to work harder due to fat in my body. Should I stick to 145 and run 9:45-10:30 to stay in his magic formula, no! If anything is close to right it would be running by lactate threshold values for setting up zones or learning to run by feel as Lydiard stated. Guess what Running by feel actually puts me in zone 2 where most mitochondria is produced.
Get that poppsychologist the hell out of here, no elite runner follows his training and no one races at MAF.
Wow, you are confused. His ideas DO take all those stresses into account. That's why he uses heart rate as a guide to training intensity. Heat, fat, fatigue, etc. all cause HR to rise. You get fatter, you have to slow down to keep your HR at the proper level. So, yes. You should slow down until you can either lose the weight or get fit enough so that your HR drops at the given pace.
I am no Maffetone fan, but you really need to think before writing him off. Search "HADD Training Theory" for a better explanation of the ideas that Maffetone has made his money from.
Don't mess with the shoe corporations they will seriously F your S*!T up.
Nike might even have the capability to have you snuffed out.
Well you said it, his approach is slow down and run more. But based on the pace you were running at 160 lbs. you forgot the RUN MORE part. What were you at? 20 mpw? So how are you going to knock the guy when you can't even put the work in? Get up to 60 or 70 per week or stfu.....
Maffetoner2 wrote:
For the record, i use MAF method for my training and think it works. But lets be real this guy says whacked stuff, in his book he says that he thinks that sub 1:52 marathon is possible. Like what the F?
I'm a real believer in a big aerobic base, so I'm in accord with him to some extent (like to the degree that say, Lydiard would be). But 180-age is a non-starter for me, as well as some other things MAF says. And then there's the singing.[/quote]
What's the singing all about?
You know someone is an attention whore when they have no talent for singing but push it anyway. Maffetone seems like the Grant Peterson of the running community.
A few decades ago I ran a race around green lake in Seattle every week for 10 weeks. There was always competition, I wore racing shoes and ran hard, except one week I ran barefoot in my training and the race. This particular race was 30 seconds faster than the fastest of the others, about 10 minutes per mile. There were some little rocks at various places, so I wore shoes again for the last 3 races.
I trained and raced many times on the track before and after this with always the same results. Barefoot is the fastest, and shoes are slower.
Old Walker wrote:
Wow, you are confused. His ideas DO take all those stresses into account. That's why he uses heart rate as a guide to training intensity. Heat, fat, fatigue, etc. all cause HR to rise. You get fatter, you have to slow down to keep your HR at the proper level. So, yes. You should slow down until you can either lose the weight or get fit enough so that your HR drops at the given pace.
I am no Maffetone fan, but you really need to think before writing him off. Search "HADD Training Theory" for a better explanation of the ideas that Maffetone has made his money from.
I have the "HADD Training Theory" well written but the same as Maffetone, they used guys who had an extreme amount of talent. You never hear about either one taking a mediocre runner and making him into an elite with their method. Elites don't use either HADD or MAF when they train, most are more Lydiard based. High volume 80/20 also similar to Friel, who uses lactate threshold values. I am more apt to believe and follow actual science backed training then pseudo science.