Sunday long run
Monday workout (think tempo, Fartlek)
Tuesday easy
Wednesday workout
Thursday easy
Friday Big workout
Saturday easy
Is the ABOVE feasible for one week? Usually I do
Sunday longrun
Monday easy
Tuesday workout
Wednesday easy
Thursday workout
Friday easy
Saturday Big workout
But I need to adjust for travel for a week, so I'm trying to fix it.
No. Your legs would literally fall off.
i chose D2 wrote:
No. Your legs would literally fall off.
+1
OK.
Can someone fix this schedule then? T stands for an air travel day or vacation day. I'm leaving too know early the first T day for a workout.
Saturday Big workout
Sunday Longrun or easy?
Monday workout
Tuesday easy
Wednesday speed
Thursday easy
Friday Big Workout
T Saturday AM Travel/ PM easy
T Sunday long run
T Monday workout
T Tuesday easy
T Wed speed
T Thursday AM EASY/ PM TRAVEL DAY
Friday easy
Saturday Big workout
Sunday Long run
Inapinch wrote:
OK.
Can someone fix this schedule then?
It's sarcasm. Your original schedule is fine.
Do you consistently do 3 workouts a week plus a long run, or is this just during a particularly heavy lifting portion of your training cycle?
I maintained a schedule like this in college back in the early '90s when the custom was to race most weekends during the season, but getting in 3 quality days per week (not counting the long run, which may be a quality day too depending on how long it is) is something that I might do for 2 or 3 weeks per training cycle, and even that is rare. Of course, I am in my mid 40s, so that is part of it, but even the younger runners I train with and coach don't typically do that.
I would do the workout on Sunday then the long run Monday. The question comes down to "what are you trying to accomplish for each day of running?" I would imagine a long run on tired legs would be more beneficial than a workout on tired legs.
I agree that isolating your real goal is important to deciding how to adjust these workouts. Are you just throwing everything at your training in the hopes that some of it will stick or do you have something you need to focus on for your goals?
I would go completely the other way here and say, no, that is not feasible. I would not put those back to back. In fact I would add more easy days to your schedule. Most workout types stay in your body and make relevant adaptations for longer than just a week. You don't need to keep doing the same several workouts every week. Do a long run every other week and just have good volume otherwise. Do intervals or a tempo every other week and just add strides or hill sprints on some easy days.
Without sounding like I'm a know-it-all or that what you're doing is wrong, let me refocus my thought. I don't think you need to look at your training in terms of an arbitrary 7 day week, let alone a repeating pattern of it. Training works through appropriate stresses and healthy adaptations. Many people will tell you that a schedule with a harder day followed by two easier days allows for better workouts and better recovery.
Specifically with a long run you are looking at stress to your nervous system, fueling system, and repetitive stress to muscoskeletal system. Fueling can be handled with a healthy diet. The muscoskeletal thing is mostly dependent on your body's response to the specific day, but delayed onset muscle soreness can hit you like a truck a couple of days later especially if you do a hard workout the day before or after a long run. The nervous system thing is perhaps the biggest deal, as your body will be inclined toward a state of recovery following a long run. You put unnecessary stress on that recovery by doing hard workouts surrounding it. Basically you are getting less out of the long run and putting more injurious stress on your body by jamming this stuff together.
Some of the best coaching advice I can give you is that feeling compelled to force workouts into close proximity is a sign of insecurity or lack of confidence in your own ability. The solution there is not always to run more. Have more confidence in your ability to take a day off or incorporate easy days. Things like red blood cells last 3 months. Your block of training is more important than a specific few days, especially if you risk injury. Speed has more to do with mechanical adaptations than frequency of doing them. Do them correctly when you do them and worry less about doing them all the time. There is plenty of science to support more recovery if faith in yourself isn't enough for you.
Muffy wrote:
I would do the workout on Sunday then the long run Monday. The question comes down to "what are you trying to accomplish for each day of running?" I would imagine a long run on tired legs would be more beneficial than a workout on tired legs.
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Inapinch wrote:
Sunday long run
Monday workout (think tempo, Fartlek)
Tuesday easy
Wednesday workout
Thursday easy
Friday Big workout
Saturday easy
Is the ABOVE feasible for one week? Usually I do
Sunday longrun
Monday easy
Tuesday workout
Wednesday easy
Thursday workout
Friday easy
Saturday Big workout
But I need to adjust for travel for a week, so I'm trying to fix it.
It depends how far the long run is. Jack Shelton & Pete Bennett at Crawley used to run a session on Monday (day after a long run or race) & Wednesday.
Crawley AC all-time 5k
1 Tim Hutchings 13;11.5 CR didnt train with Crawley
2 Gavin Thompson 14;03.75 14;00.71 at USA university
3 Pat Gallagher 14;21.4 cr
4 Andy Douglas 14;25.2 JCR
5 Peter Moore 14;30.2
6 Steve Harris 14;31.2 didn't train with Crawley
7 Ed Prickett 14;32.4
8 Kevin Howard 14;32.55 didnt train with Crawley
9 Kevin Holland 14;41.4
10 Martin Clarke 14;44.1
11 Paul Rodgers 14;45.2
Running takes a brain aswell as training. I rest my case.
Anyone who "usually does" a "big workout" and follows that up with a "long run" should seriously reconsider their training. Where's the recovery there? Both of those will take 48 hours to recover from.
Stress + Recovery = Improvement
Stress + Stress = Injury and/or Workout Heroes
SUSSEX RUNNER wrote:
It depends how far the long run is. Jack Shelton & Pete Bennett at Crawley used to run a session on Monday (day after a long run or race) & Wednesday.
Crawley AC all-time 5k
1 Tim Hutchings 13;11.5 CR didnt train with Crawley
2 Gavin Thompson 14;03.75 14;00.71 at USA university
3 Pat Gallagher 14;21.4 cr
4 Andy Douglas 14;25.2 JCR
5 Peter Moore 14;30.2
6 Steve Harris 14;31.2 didn't train with Crawley
7 Ed Prickett 14;32.4
8 Kevin Howard 14;32.55 didnt train with Crawley
9 Kevin Holland 14;41.4
10 Martin Clarke 14;44.1
11 Paul Rodgers 14;45.2
Running takes a brain aswell as training. I rest my case.
Is that the same Martin Clarke that ran for Kentucky?
What about listening to your body?