I told myself i wouldn't attempt the marathon until i broke 1:25 in the half marathon first. Well I'm expecting to be in 1:20/1:22 shape this weekend in the half. After I hit my goal, do you think I'd be in pretty good shape to hit 2:59 in the marathon?
Most people who run 1:25 typically are dropping 3:05-3:07 fulls
1:25 roughly equates to sub-3 but it is by no means 'safe.' Now 1:20-22 on the other hand is quite a bit better and should be more than enough to go sub 3.
Mike Rossi ran a 3:11 with a best half marathon of what, 1:45. You should be safe.
Just some real thoughts wrote:
1:25 roughly equates to sub-3 but it is by no means 'safe.' Now 1:20-22 on the other hand is quite a bit better and should be more than enough to go sub 3.
1:20 is safe if everything works out on the day.
double PBs wrote:
Mike Rossi ran a 3:11 with a best half marathon of what, 1:45. You should be safe.
This. Get in touch with Rossi and you'll be golden. Be sure to avoid the entire middle portion of the course though, and put your head down when you cross the line.
I agree that 1:25 pretty much predicts 3:00-flat, so not really "safe." But a 1:23 half would predict a 2:56, I think. As long as you're getting some longer training runs on your schedule you should be "safe" with a 1:22. How soon after the half is the full marathon?
Back in my 40s, I followed a 1:22:47 half with a very comfortable 2:56:04 marathon three weeks later. Was averaging 50-mile weeks and long runs up to 23 miles. A 5K race two weeks after the half (a week before the marathon) was 17:32.
I ran a 2:55 off a 1:25.4x and a 2:47 off a 1:22. I'd give it a go. Good luck.
About as far from safe as you can get! Sorry, but anyone who 'equates' a 1:25 1/2 with a sub 3 is showing their lack of running acumen. For every 1:25 guy that cracked 3 in subsequent marathon, you'll find 7 or 8 who didn't.
Not a marathon guy wrote:
I told myself i wouldn't attempt the marathon until i broke 1:25 in the half marathon first. Well I'm expecting to be in 1:20/1:22 shape this weekend in the half. After I hit my goal, do you think I'd be in pretty good shape to hit 2:59 in the marathon?
Don't bother racing either if you are so sure of your shape!
I'll echo here. Certainly indicates it in the tables but without good marathon training it's not safe at all. I ran 1:24:56 a few years back and then went out and ran 3:12 in a full a month later (split 1:31-1:41).
When I finally broke three the first time I ran 2:58 high and was probably in about 1:21 half shape. Ran 36:30 10K a little before the marathon.
With half-marathons you can skate by on good speed. You're not going to hit a wall. But a marathon you just have to have trained w/ long marathon paced runs. Half-marathon in my opinion just isn't a good enough indicator of that type of fitness.
It's possible. My first sub 3 came off a 1:25:45 half. Was a little too close for comfort on the day but if you have done the long runs you should be ok. Have dipped under 3hrs 5 times (pr 2:54) and fastest half is 1:23:53
Thinkaboutit wrote:
I'll echo here. Certainly indicates it in the tables but without good marathon training it's not safe at all. I ran 1:24:56 a few years back and then went out and ran 3:12 in a full a month later (split 1:31-1:41).
Chiming in as well. When I ran a 1:26:12 hilly HM, I ran a 3:10:51 a few months later.
Ran a 1:21:54 HM (flat) some time later and then ran a 2:54-low.
I'm guessing breaking 1:23 is a better indicator, or at least 1:23-low. As an aside, I didn't think about breaking 2:50 until I had broke 1:20.
The half marathon is this Sunday, was gonna do a full marathon in the fall when the cooler temps come back. It'll let me build improve my base and take care of a few little twinges going on. Just wanted to get some thoughts so I know how I want to prep late August.
Not a marathon guy wrote:
The half marathon is this Sunday, was gonna do a full marathon in the fall when the cooler temps come back. It'll let me build improve my base and take care of a few little twinges going on. Just wanted to get some thoughts so I know how I want to prep late August.
If you're going to do the full in the fall, then view your latest half time as a marathon goal pace run. You've proven that pace for 13 miles, start from there. Think big, train hard. You can run 2:51-2:52 in the fall.
I skew towards longer stuff and when I first broke 3 hours I was a 1:26 pr.
When I set my lifetime best of 2:39 my half was 1:17:49.
I ran a 2:57:43 when my half PR was 1:28:35.
Not very
1:26:20, barely cracked 3:05. I think if I had done more than a couple 30km runs I would have had a better chance with 1:26 half "speed."
I ran my PR 304 by going by out in 125. I still think if I had gone out in 123 or so, I might have dipped under 3.