After watching everything from 10ks to marathons (but also sprinters), most elite men in particular seem to have the same foot strike. Yes its fore/mid foot, but my main curiosity is how their foot/toes are pointing.
Are they pointing slightly outward or are they pointing straight ahead? Honestly looks like they are going slightly outward.
Opinions/thoughts?
That is to do with body straightness in the actual bone structure. However a great number of elites heelstrike. you're obviously not watching that closely.
strike the heel wrote:
However a great number of elites heelstrike. you're obviously not watching that closely.
Complete bs. They may heel strike while jogging, but never at faster paces.
You may find their heel touches the ground at moderate paces, but that isn't heel striking. Heel striking is where the heel touches first, with some of the force of the support phase transmitting through the heel. When an elites heel touches the ground at a moderate pace, it is just the heel of the shoe slightly touching the ground, no force is going into the heel.
At faster paces, this doesn't even happen, the heel never will touch the ground for an elite finishing a 5000m or at any point in an 800/1500 (except the beginning of a slow sit and kick race, of course).
Sdfsdfsdfsdfsdf wrote:
strike the heel wrote:However a great number of elites heelstrike. you're obviously not watching that closely.
Complete bs. They may heel strike while jogging, but never at faster paces.
You may find their heel touches the ground at moderate paces, but that isn't heel striking. Heel striking is where the heel touches first, with some of the force of the support phase transmitting through the heel. When an elites heel touches the ground at a moderate pace, it is just the heel of the shoe slightly touching the ground, no force is going into the heel.
At faster paces, this doesn't even happen, the heel never will touch the ground for an elite finishing a 5000m or at any point in an 800/1500 (except the beginning of a slow sit and kick race, of course).
Um, Marathon? Are you saying that's not a fast pace?
If it touches, force is being transmitted. Very basic.
Many of them are "touching" really hard too.
Isn't it amazing how people will not understand the point of your post and instead start arguing about something else?
To your point MEXRUNNER, yes I have noticed the slight "duck footed" positioning for a lot of pros. It does seem like during the mid stance, and into push off phase, there is more force moving through the ball of the foot/big toe, and this turn the foot into the position you noticed. I would assume this is a good thing, after all, they are the ones with great talent and biomechanics.
celery wrote:
Isn't it amazing how people will not understand the point of your post and instead start arguing about something else?
To your point MEXRUNNER, yes I have noticed the slight "duck footed" positioning for a lot of pros. It does seem like during the mid stance, and into push off phase, there is more force moving through the ball of the foot/big toe, and this turn the foot into the position you noticed. I would assume this is a good thing, after all, they are the ones with great talent and biomechanics.
That's called pronation. A video of Geb shows the potential benefit of loading elastic tissues in this manner. However many elites also run in a straight line with no twisting deviation at the ankle.
Sdfsdfsdfsdfsdf wrote:
strike the heel wrote:However a great number of elites heelstrike. you're obviously not watching that closely.
Complete bs. They may heel strike while jogging, but never at faster paces.
You may find their heel touches the ground at moderate paces, but that isn't heel striking. Heel striking is where the heel touches first, with some of the force of the support phase transmitting through the heel. When an elites heel touches the ground at a moderate pace, it is just the heel of the shoe slightly touching the ground, no force is going into the heel.
At faster paces, this doesn't even happen, the heel never will touch the ground for an elite finishing a 5000m or at any point in an 800/1500 (except the beginning of a slow sit and kick race, of course).
Go watch a video of Trevor Dunbar training
I have watched videos of elite kenyans running barefoot they point their toes up so they land flat on the mid.
MIDDYFOOT wrote:
I have watched videos of elite kenyans running barefoot they point their toes up so they land flat on the mid.
Then they race in flats and land on their heels. To some degree the "crutch" of a thick cushioned heel is a performance enhancer over long distances.
Normal alignment of the foot in gait is about 10 degrees out-turned (abducted). So it makes sense that they would be going "slightly outward" as you observe, if they have normal alignment.
http://bdml.stanford.edu/twiki/pub/Haptics/HapticsForGaitRetraining/ToeIn.jpg
Looks more like supinators? Thought that was the best kind of foot strike, no?
Rodger Kram Ph.D. wrote:
maybe some data would be useful here.....
http://www.runningtechniquetips.com/2012/06/us-olympic-trials-10000m-footstrike-variation/https://www.lifefitness.com/blog/posts/study-of-olympic-runners-shows-no-superior-footstrike
That's great. Thanks for sharing!!!
No way to tell over or under-pronation from those side (lateral) views.
Inquiry minds want to know wrote:
Looks more like supinators? Thought that was the best kind of foot strike, no?
Underpronating/overpronating has nothing to do with foot strike. It's what the foot does after foot strike.
Just wow... wrote:
No way to tell over or under-pronation from those side (lateral) views.
Inquiry minds want to know wrote:Looks more like supinators? Thought that was the best kind of foot strike, no?
Underpronating/overpronating has nothing to do with foot strike. It's what the foot does after foot strike.
It still matters what happens at footstrike. Many over-pronators land in an over-pronated manner as well.
The vast majority touch down on the lateral side of the foot.
At initial contact, which is what we are talking about here, almost everybody, over-pronator and under-pronator alike, hits lateral to midline of bottom of the foot. It would take gawd awful foot or lower extremity pathomechanics to hit first on the medial side. Not saying it can't happen, but it would an exceedingly rare individual (think subtalar joint middle facet coalition). Please send me a picture capturing this in a runner if you can find one. I'd love to use it in my presentations.
Just wow... wrote:
Rodger Kram Ph.D. wrote:maybe some data would be useful here.....
http://www.runningtechniquetips.com/2012/06/us-olympic-trials-10000m-footstrike-variation/https://www.lifefitness.com/blog/posts/study-of-olympic-runners-shows-no-superior-footstrikeThat's great. Thanks for sharing!!!
Come back with pictures of the full leg. As I already stated, they may be contacting the ground with the foot, but they're not transmitting force.
True heel striking applies a braking force with each stride. As I already said, none of these elites are heel striking. Pictures of their heel touching the ground isn't heel striking. If you look at later pictures in the stride, you'll see that they are still "touching down" as their heel touches the ground. They don't fully touch down until they've moved to the Midfoot.
The myth isn't whether or not heel striking is bad: it is. The myth is what is heel striking. Go to your local park and wait for a true heel striker to jog by. Get some pictures or video of that guy (dont actually because that is creepy), then compare. It is nothing like what these men and women in the 10k are doing.
Stop it, dude. Marathon runners go fast and heel strike and a lot of the 10k people do too. Shoes with heels encourage that.
Sdfsdfsdfsdfsdf wrote:
Just wow... wrote:That's great. Thanks for sharing!!!
Come back with pictures of the full leg. As I already stated, they may be contacting the ground with the foot, but they're not transmitting force.
True heel striking applies a braking force with each stride. As I already said, none of these elites are heel striking. Pictures of their heel touching the ground isn't heel striking. If you look at later pictures in the stride, you'll see that they are still "touching down" as their heel touches the ground. They don't fully touch down until they've moved to the Midfoot.
The myth isn't whether or not heel striking is bad: it is. The myth is what is heel striking. Go to your local park and wait for a true heel striker to jog by. Get some pictures or video of that guy (dont actually because that is creepy), then compare. It is nothing like what these men and women in the 10k are doing.
No, touching at the heel first is, by definition heel striking. That's why it's called heel striking. And no, heel striking isn't what's bad. Overstriding is the problem. Overstriding is what creates the braking force. It's the subset of heel strikers (most of the non-elites) who are also overstriding that you are describing.
