10 x 200 (1 min) - What shape am I in for 800?

Not an indicator workout as a very different energy system mix.

If you can't go at least 1:56-7 then you're a puss and basically screwed. If you actually have some real speed (not just this 28-29 bs, yeah, many reps I get it) then why not 1:54 or so. If a 51-52 second 400 is easy for an open 4 or 4x4 then you could be even quicker. Again, all also depends on if you're a mental puss or not.

Summa Lumma Doomin wrote:

If you can't go at least 1:56-7 then you're a puss and basically screwed. If you actually have some real speed (not just this 28-29 bs, yeah, many reps I get it) then why not 1:54 or so. If a 51-52 second 400 is easy for an open 4 or 4x4 then you could be even quicker. Again, all also depends on if you're a mental puss or not.

Agree. I don't really get the point of this 28-29s 200 rep garbage.

Mike_97 wrote:

Last night did 10 x 200 (1 min) @ 28,29,28,29,29,29,28,29,29,29

Can run 5k in 16.12 and 10k in 33.50 so endurance is half decent

It's a good session, especially, for this time of year but it really isn't an 800m predictor. My gut instinct from your other PBs is low 2 minutes.

I have done this workout completing 20+ reps in the same time and recovery. 1 minute is just plenty of time to recover from a 200m rep. You can get into a rhythm.

It doesn't stress you enough to be a predictor session, but it is a great training session nonetheless and not every session should be run until you vomit like some think.

Middle94 wrote:

[quote]Mike_97 wrote:

Last night did 10 x 200 (1 min) @ 28,29,28,29,29,29,28,29,29,29

Can run 5k in 16.12 and 10k in 33.50 so endurance is half decent

It's a good session, especially, for this time of year but it really isn't an 800m predictor. My gut instinct from your other PBs is low 2 minutes.

I have done this workout completing 20+ reps in the same time and recovery. 1 minute is just plenty of time to recover from a 200m rep. You can get into a rhythm.

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I'd agree with this but it depends on a number of factors eg 400m pr - and most important your 800m pr

Coaching or running is not a quiz. You need to put in as much info as possible. eg age mileage all pb's

One guy could run this workout and do 1:55 and another 2:05

Some guys I've see run this and go sub 2 but they were running closer to 15 for 5km so your endurance is not all that brilliant, its ok

you will run right at 2 flat

i agree with many here, it really depends. I wouldn't be surprised to see you right around 2:00

Middle94 wrote:

It's a good session, especially, for this time of year but it really isn't an 800m predictor. My gut instinct from your other PBs is low 2 minutes.

I have done this workout completing 20+ reps in the same time and recovery. 1 minute is just plenty of time to recover from a 200m rep. You can get into a rhythm.

It doesn't stress you enough to be a predictor session, but it is a great training session nonetheless and not every session should be run until you vomit like some think.

Good post. It's a fine workout but the other work you're doing is vital to know.

I find 10-12x200 on 1:00 rest will usually be faster than current 800 ability, maybe even faster than 600 ability. With that 1:00 rest, the workout just doesn't really need much speed endurance and lactate tolerance. (It's a good way to rack up a lot of quality running without being very stressful, running fast and feeling good doing it, so a great go-to early in the season.)

Myself, right now I'd run that workout at the same pace as the OP, and I'm racing around 1:29, 2:05.

I used to run 20 X 200 in 23 with a walk between.

If you're fast enough its easy. If you're not, its a struggle. The question is if you can go any faster than 28 seconds.

I knew a guy who ran a 2:10 marathon

30 minute 10 K

2:01 800

60 second 400.

If you have any speed its easy. And this guy was a rankled marathon guy back in the day. He just had no speed.

I'd rather see you running reps at 25 - 26.

In college we used to run 10 X 300 with 45 seconds between. 300 m indoor track - tartan. 35 for the last one, and no slower than 38 - 40 for all.

Speed is key. You need to demonstrate it.

oboesausage wrote:

I used to run 20 X 200 in 23 with a walk between.

Nope, calling BS

Bonkers wrote:

oboesausage wrote:

I used to run 20 X 200 in 23 with a walk between.

Nope, calling BS

Have to be like a 1:42/3:29 man to do that session surely.

oboesausage wrote:

I used to run 20 X 200 in 23 with a walk between.

If you're fast enough its easy. If you're not, its a struggle. The question is if you can go any faster than 28 seconds.

I knew a guy who ran a 2:10 marathon

30 minute 10 K

2:01 800

60 second 400.

If you have any speed its easy. And this guy was a rankled marathon guy back in the day. He just had no speed.

I'd rather see you running reps at 25 - 26.

In college we used to run 10 X 300 with 45 seconds between. 300 m indoor track - tartan. 35 for the last one, and no slower than 38 - 40 for all.

Speed is key. You need to demonstrate it.

What are your PBs?

oboesausage wrote:

I used to run 20 X 200 in 23 with a walk between.

If you're fast enough its easy. If you're not, its a struggle. The question is if you can go any faster than 28 seconds.

I knew a guy who ran a 2:10 marathon

30 minute 10 K

2:01 800

60 second 400.

If you have any speed its easy. And this guy was a rankled marathon guy back in the day. He just had no speed.

I'd rather see you running reps at 25 - 26.

In college we used to run 10 X 300 with 45 seconds between. 300 m indoor track - tartan. 35 for the last one, and no slower than 38 - 40 for all.

Speed is key. You need to demonstrate it.

10 x 300m in 35-36 seconds with surges and help from a "rabbit."

Dude that is too much recovery. If you do 4 x 800 in 1:58-59 with 30s recovery, I'll give you a 2:00.7

If your a puss, then 2:00.8

oboesausage wrote:

I knew a guy who ran a 2:10 marathon

30 minute 10 K

2:01 800

60 second 400.

BS.

He never put out a proper effort over 400 in a race if he had a 2:01 800 and a 60 for 400.

Physiology.

2:10

Bonkers wrote:

oboesausage wrote:

I used to run 20 X 200 in 23 with a walk between.

Nope, calling BS

You're slow. 22.9 or a bust.

caller of it wrote:

oboesausage wrote:

I knew a guy who ran a 2:10 marathon

30 minute 10 K

2:01 800

60 second 400.

BS.

He never put out a proper effort over 400 in a race if he had a 2:01 800 and a 60 for 400.

Physiology.

Agree with this completely. Hate when people freaking say that people that have no speed are are to run their max pace forever. It's BS. Physiologically impossible.

For a 2:01, you at least have to be able to hit a 57.