Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

agip wrote:

Marietta Tar Heel wrote:

Where are you seeing the 1MM per day? I don't see any days over 1MM and 7 day average of ~650K. I can only see it increasing, but don't think we are at that level yet.

the idea is that if the 7 day average is up to 650k and rising fast, and that includes weekends when vaccinations don't happen much, then during the week we have to be hitting 1m per day.

I hope your're right. I only see the gap between the 8th and 11th as over 1MM and yesterday 300K.

It should go up quickly this week since it seems a lot of states have now opened up to 65/75+ (which should have happened much sooner).

agip wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

Pence has rejected the idea of pursuing art 25 exactly because he says it should be reserved for something like mental illness. Sure, he KNOWS trump is totally unhinged and unstable, but Pence thinks it will hurt his own chances in 2024. They are all totally disconnected from reality.

I agree with Pence on 25A - it's not meant for things like this.

25A is for a serious health breakdown.

Impeachment is the Constitutional remedy for someone like Trump.

It's not clear that Trump hasn't had a serious mental health breakdown. The problem, which supports Pence's view, is that it isn't clear that Trump has had a serious mental health breakdown.

Mental health is is not the easy call it would be were the President is in a coma or some such.

My take is that Trump has long had significant mental issues, certainly narcissism and probably pretty far out on the sociopath spectrum. The issue of the moment is the increased stress because he is about to lose the cover of accountability that had been granted by his office. That is, he was already a nutcase, but now he's an increasingly cornered nutcase.

Sally Vix wrote:

Monkeys typing wrote:

I'm not a lawyer, but apparently De Blasio has used the claim of criminal activity to void the contracts and Trump now has the option to fight that claim in the courts.

The legal claim of "inciting an insurrection" seems plausible at the very least and the risk of losing such a case might make fighting the claim unpalatable.

You also have to determine whether he intended to incite the rioters.

I don't have to determine anything.

De Blasio's gambit is that Trump, should he chose to fight the contract termination, has to try the case that he intended to incite the rioters. I'm guessing De Blasio's legal team expects Trump to just walk away rather than effectively initiate a criminal trial against himself.

agip wrote:

Marietta Tar Heel wrote:

Do you know the numbers/percentages for Israel?

What are we at ~9MM vaccinated? <3%?

Israel: 22.34% vaccinated

USA: 2.82% vaccinated

USA: 9.33 million vaccinated (but rising almost 1m per day)

great source:

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

Good source. Thx.

Looks like Israel only reached 20% vax rate on Jan 8 (5 days ago). Further, it takes two doses plus a few weeks beyond the second dose for full protection. Add this to the inevitable delay between infection and detection and it seems to me that one should not be expecting an obvious drop in new cases in Israel until early February at the earliest - possibly mid- or even late February.

I don't remember if anyone posted the articles of impeachment yet, but everyone should read it. It will take you less than five minutes. It is an iron clad case.

https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20449065-house-impeachment-resolution-final

However, because most Americans won't bother to read it or think deeply about it, we still need witnesses in the senate who will give an eyewitness account of Trump's sedition from behind the scenes. We must bury Trumpism forever. The deeper the better.

joy in mudville

I agree with what LL said - 25th was more intended for cut and dry cases like a stroke or a coma. You still need cabinet and congressional approval so it's not like it sets an easy precedent, but this seems way more like an impeachment + removal from office case to me.

Trollminator wrote:

Another one trying to sweep it under the rug

https://twitter.com/geraldorivera/status/1349165191246831616?s=21

Yep. It is good that morons like Geraldo are actually seeing Trump now for what he is, but his insanity was easily seen years before this. Shame on Geraldo for not seeing this earlier, and shame on all those who supported Trump, especially the last 2 years. I really wish I would have been wrong about Trump. I wasn't. He is a POS...just human garbage.

Dr. Racket wrote:

Really wanna see some polling numbers on some things -

How many people still think the election was stolen, and how many think the mob was justified?

I'm curious to know what YOU think about both of those questions.

I'll answer for myself.

1) Election stolen? - Hell no.

2) Mob justified? - Hell no.

Banned in 60 Seconds wrote:

You might see both parties fracture and re-form under some new labels. I can envision a far right party comprised of Trumpists. libertarians, and evangelicals. A socialist party would also form as a counterweight to the right wing.

There is no sign the Democrat party will split into a moderate party and a socialist party.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

Pence has rejected the idea of pursuing art 25 exactly because he says it should be reserved for something like mental illness. Sure, he KNOWS trump is totally unhinged and unstable, but Pence thinks it will hurt his own chances in 2024. They are all totally disconnected from reality.

You're reading Pence's mind just like I'm trying to do. If your take is correct, Pence is making a bad decision.

Since many House Members were elected from small districts, there is a lot of low-life. The Senate vote will be a much better indicater of how much they are still afraid of Trump.

Agree 100%, looking forward to the Senate vote

Flagpole wrote:

Dr. Racket wrote:

Really wanna see some polling numbers on some things -

How many people still think the election was stolen, and how many think the mob was justified?

I'm curious to know what YOU think about both of those questions.

I'll answer for myself.

1) Election stolen? - Hell no.

2) Mob justified? - Hell no.

I was definitely asking for personal opinions and not polling research, so thanks for your input on that.

This is the one thing you and I disagree on. Even before Jan. 6, I had said Trump's influence would steadily decline after Biden's inauguration. Now that Trump has incited insurrection, that has been sped up, and here's why:

1) Elected GOP members are pushing back.

2) Trump is about to be impeached a second time, making him the biggest loser in American political history.

3) There are already some Trumpers (hard core even) who have stepped away from him since Jan. 6. Some of these people have stated so on TikTok with lots of people agreeing with them. Just a final step too far for many of them.

4) Big corporations are severing ties with Trump, and that's going to hurt his brand tremendously which is part of his allure.

5) He can't escape the fact that he was elected as a populist. Populism lasts one election cycle. He's done.

6) Trump has very poor business sense. He has started scores of business ventures outside of his core real estate one (that Daddy left him) that have all failed. He will not be successful in starting any kind of broadcast network or new party. If he forms a new political party, it will fizzle.

There will be stories about Trump's "fall from grace", but to me it not shocking or surprising. He can not and will not withstand the wave of negativity coming at him from now on through the rest of his life. Trumpers are already saying "It's not about Trump...it's about good vs. evil" and other sh!t like that. He's done.

Dr. Racket wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

[quote]Dr. Racket wrote:

Really wanna see some polling numbers on some things -

How many people still think the election was stolen, and how many think the mob was justified?

I'm curious to know what YOU think about both of those questions.

I'll answer for myself.

1) Election stolen? - Hell yes.

2) Mob justified? - Hell no.

Sally Vix wrote:

1) Election stolen? - Hell yes.

Got some proof for that? Links to already debunked conspiracy theories, or people just asking questions not allowed.

Fat hurts wrote:

I don't remember if anyone posted the articles of impeachment yet, but everyone should read it. It will take you less than five minutes. It is an iron clad case.

https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20449065-house-impeachment-resolution-final

However, because most Americans won't bother to read it or think deeply about it, we still need witnesses in the senate who will give an eyewitness account of Trump's sedition from behind the scenes. We must bury Trumpism forever. The deeper the better.

It's a single article. It seems that the Democrats who wrote the impeachment discussed with Republicans (even McConnell) that multiple articles of impeachment would not get their support. A single impeachment article has a much stronger chance of passing in the Senate.

Grumble, grumble, grumble wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

1) Election stolen? - Hell yes.

Got some proof for that? Links to already debunked conspiracy theories, or people just asking questions not allowed.

To borrow from the late great SC Justice Potter Stewart ... I know it when I see it.

agip wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

Pence has rejected the idea of pursuing art 25 exactly because he says it should be reserved for something like mental illness. Sure, he KNOWS trump is totally unhinged and unstable, but Pence thinks it will hurt his own chances in 2024. They are all totally disconnected from reality.

I agree with Pence on 25A - it's not meant for things like this.

25A is for a serious health breakdown.

Impeachment is the Constitutional remedy for someone like Trump.

Unfortunately I have to agree. I DO think the 25th Amendment could be used for a clear mental health breakdown (I mean if a President walked out to address the nation naked for example, I think that might be cause), and I DO think Trump is mentally unstable, BUT that would have to be proven by doctors, AND I submit that Trump just could be evil, and I'm not sure being evil is a mental disorder (though I could perhaps be convinced otherwise).

I would like to see some clearer language added to the 25th Amendment that makes it clear that being mentally unfit is a reason to use it.

Good News!

"Hannity's 9 p.m. program slid into a permanent last-place position behind MSNBC and CNN, among viewers 25-54. Hannity has been stuck there now for two months."

https://pressrun.media/p/hannitys-post-election-ratings-collapse