I'm in highschool and i've been hovering around 60 mpw for my base mileage for outdoors. I will probably go 4:15ish in the mile.
I'm in highschool and i've been hovering around 60 mpw for my base mileage for outdoors. I will probably go 4:15ish in the mile.
Somewhere between 30 and 100.
There are always some that get into the 90s occasionally 100 (i.e. Garek Bielaczyc), but it's very easy to burn out at that kind of volume.
70-80 most 55-60
whats the most you guys have heard of a highschooler doing? I bet some HS peakers like German Fernandez ran 100+
Along with those miles there must be a lot of multi-speed training to prevent injuries and to develop speed.
Contrary to popular believe 10 X 200 does not develop speed, it develops speed endurance. This concept is lost on many people.
6 X 60, Dynamic Running Drills, Plyometrics, Bounding uphill, downhill running, etc. can be speed development if done correctly. Find a sprinting coach to teach speed. (Most think they can just read a book. That would be rare.)
I had 3 "elite" HS teammates. One ran 1:49 and 4:15, he did it off of 40ish now. Another 1:52/4:08 did about the same. The third ran 4:10/9:00 off of more like 50-60 now. All ran 6 days a week, and long runs weren't really a thing. Injuries got in all of their ways in college.
high miles wrote:
whats the most you guys have heard of a highschooler doing? I bet some HS peakers like German Fernandez ran 100+
German Fernandez was more like 30-40 bro. 50-60 in base phase.
Can't beat talent.
I Know 1 wrote:
high miles wrote:whats the most you guys have heard of a highschooler doing? I bet some HS peakers like German Fernandez ran 100+
German Fernandez was more like 30-40 bro. 50-60 in base phase.
Can't beat talent.
German Fernandez ran 4:00 and 8:34 on the same day at state finals. I don't know if any other highschoolers could have ever done that. During collegiate, and certainly post-collegiate running, he has not lived up to his high school "eliteness". He ran a 14:21 5k at the Payton Jordan Invite this year, but was able to run a 14:24 5k on the hillyish woodward park, 7 years ago as a hs senior. If he was only running 30-60 mpw in highschool, he would have skyrocketed in college and pros, and he ended up doing quite the opposite.
Matt Withrow ran 100 per week.
8 sets of 800 meter interval at 2:24
He seem like someone destined for greatness, but he fell into a rabbit hole along another rabbit hole into a deeper crevice of Lil Wayne as* crack.
high miles wrote:
I Know 1 wrote:German Fernandez was more like 30-40 bro. 50-60 in base phase.
Can't beat talent.
German Fernandez ran 4:00 and 8:34 on the same day at state finals. I don't know if any other highschoolers could have ever done that. During collegiate, and certainly post-collegiate running, he has not lived up to his high school "eliteness". He ran a 14:21 5k at the Payton Jordan Invite this year, but was able to run a 14:24 5k on the hillyish woodward park, 7 years ago as a hs senior. If he was only running 30-60 mpw in highschool, he would have skyrocketed in college and pros, and he ended up doing quite the opposite.
His coach says he was running 40-60 mpw in high school. If you remember, he won the NCAA mile his freshman year, and following that got injured doing higher mileage training and never really progressed further as he struggled with injury issues.
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high miles wrote:German Fernandez ran 4:00 and 8:34 on the same day at state finals. I don't know if any other highschoolers could have ever done that. During collegiate, and certainly post-collegiate running, he has not lived up to his high school "eliteness". He ran a 14:21 5k at the Payton Jordan Invite this year, but was able to run a 14:24 5k on the hillyish woodward park, 7 years ago as a hs senior. If he was only running 30-60 mpw in highschool, he would have skyrocketed in college and pros, and he ended up doing quite the opposite.
His coach says he was running 40-60 mpw in high school. If you remember, he won the NCAA mile his freshman year, and following that got injured doing higher mileage training and never really progressed further as he struggled with injury issues.
This. Once he turned pro he really struggled with the higher mileage. Plus, I thought he screwed something up pretty badly. His groin or hamstring I thought.
Somewhat related, why do elite high schoolers like Fernandez or Rupp seem to slow down in college. Fernandez won his NCAA title in 3:45 or something close. For a guy that ran a 4 flat the year before, something seems off. Same for Rupp. He had a 4:02 PR in high school and didn't break 4 until he was a senior. I know he was a 5k/10k runner, but his prior speed should have helped him to power through the mile
Steve Magness (ran right around 4 flat) did fairly high mileage ... I believe his high mileage weeks were 100+ . He has plenty of blogs describing his training and philosophy.
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kids have no memory wrote:His coach says he was running 40-60 mpw in high school. If you remember, he won the NCAA mile his freshman year, and following that got injured doing higher mileage training and never really progressed further as he struggled with injury issues.
This. Once he turned pro he really struggled with the higher mileage. Plus, I thought he screwed something up pretty badly. His groin or hamstring I thought.
Somewhat related, why do elite high schoolers like Fernandez or Rupp seem to slow down in college. Fernandez won his NCAA title in 3:45 or something close. For a guy that ran a 4 flat the year before, something seems off. Same for Rupp. He had a 4:02 PR in high school and didn't break 4 until he was a senior. I know he was a 5k/10k runner, but his prior speed should have helped him to power through the mile
German did not "slow down" in college. His NCAA title was won in 3:39, the equivalent of a 3:56 mile. Far superior to his 4:00 1600. He also ran 3:55 and 3:56 indoors along with 7:47 and 13:25 for 3k and 5k. His last few years in college he didn't run as fast but he ran low 7:5X's in the 3k a few more times. Faster than his 8:34 two-mile from high school.
Rupp also ran PRs for 3k/5k/10k a few years into Oregon. His first 1-2 years were a transition but he got faster before his senior year.
Bubbadeeboos wrote:
Steve Magness (ran right around 4 flat) did fairly high mileage ... I believe his high mileage weeks were 100+ . He has plenty of blogs describing his training and philosophy.
Also, he has plenty of posts on why he now thinks those weeks of 100+ were a mistake. Don't go there until you have to go there, as he has said about it.
Most I know run around 70 tops
60 seems on the lower end of the range of the true elites, but will be attractive to college coaches looking at guys with similar times who are running 70+ and more often than not, wind up injured or are maxed out in terms of improvement.
A lot of it depends on the athlete and his leg speed. The 800/1600 guys typically need less mpw to get by. The true 3200 guys who are dropping down to the 1600 usually need more. I have known some who ran 90 + with great success and have also known some who played football in the Fall, logging virtually 0 mpw until late winter and won state titles in 1600 or 800 off of 30-50 mpw. It all depends. Talent trumps all.
Good luck to you on that 4:15.