Doesn't Russian Doping Scandal Prove Canova is Right about EPO?

Watch the Rio women's 10,000 again

Obviously I am talking about Men.

EPO does not work on men.

jCo wrote:

Obviously I am talking about Men.

EPO does not work on men.

That "conclusion" would only make sense if only the Russians used EPO.

But yes, there are really only two possibilities here:

- either the Russians did not dope more than the rest

- or doping does not provide any significant boost.

My two cents, supported by the history of track and field, are on the first possibility.

Have you set a recent pr? Now, train like you normally would on EPO for 2 weeks, you have a new PR. But I do agree, pushups are the best performance enhancing drug.

jCo wrote:

Obviously I am talking about Men.

EPO does not work on men.

Deer Mr. Alan Abrahamson,

Please keep these ridiculous claims on your blog, the Voice of the IAAF.

Best regards,

Pop pop!

"Eddy Hellebuyck says that Leonid Shvetsov, the star Russian marathoner who was part of Hellebuyck’s training group for the 1996 Olympics, became his EPO supplier. A medical doctor by training, Shvetsov was a two-time Olympian and the Russian national record holder in the marathon who would go on to win the 56-mile Comrades Marathon in South Africa two times, setting the course record (6:10:11) in 2007. According to multiple sources, Shvetsov was also the “prominent distributor” of EPO in Albuquerque to whom Shawn had referred. Eddy says he had met Shvetsov at the Disney World Marathon in Orlando in 1995. In 1996, Shvetsov began training in Albuquerque, staying for weeks at a time with Eddy and Shawn. Later the Russian bought a house in the same neighborhood as the Hellebuycks."

jCo wrote:

Seriously, all these doped athletes and not a single marathoner below 2:12, not a single.

Leonid

10 Miles Road 48:03 Washington (USA) 08.04.2001

Half Marathon 1:03:19 Gualtieri (ITA) 31.03.1997

Half Marathon 1:02:27 Austin (USA) 03.02.2002

Marathon 2:09:16 Praha (CZE) 25.05.1997

Hi fred,

Leonid did not compete in London or in Rio.

Stick with the FACTS, people. RUSSIA is involved in the largest doping scandal in history and could not produce (even with their great heritage in distances) a single sub-3:35, sub-8:20, sub-13:20, sub-27:30, sub-2:12 for these Olympics.

EPO is a FAIL?

jCo wrote:

Seriously, all these doped athletes and not a single marathoner below 2:12

Dmitry Safronov (RUS) 2:09:35 2011 London

jCo wrote:

Hi fred,

Leonid did not compete in London or in Rio.

Stick with the FACTS, people. RUSSIA is involved in the largest doping scandal in history and could not produce (even with their great heritage in distances) a single sub-3:35, sub-8:20, sub-13:20, sub-27:30, sub-2:12 for these Olympics.

EPO is a FAIL?

That was not your statement. Your statement had no mention of London or Rio

You statement was about no Russians under 2:12.

Sticking with the facts, a Russian ran 2:09 in London.

Of course, you will try to present more spin away from your original statement, and what happens is that its just trolling and a waste of time.

fred, I understand you suffer from reading comprehension issues, as we've seen in previous posts on various threads. The Russian scandal focuses on the last two Olympic cycles. Yes, I looked at the IAAF lists and provided broad and "slow" standards that the Russian basically failed to hit.

If we gave 100 American kids EPO would it change our results? The Russians had systematic doping for the last two Olympic cycles and could not produce medal performance over the established mid and long distances.

Have to side with fred on this one.

fred wrote:

jCo wrote:

Hi fred,

Leonid did not compete in London or in Rio.

Stick with the FACTS, people. RUSSIA is involved in the largest doping scandal in history and could not produce (even with their great heritage in distances) a single sub-3:35, sub-8:20, sub-13:20, sub-27:30, sub-2:12 for these Olympics.

EPO is a FAIL?

That was not your statement. Your statement had no mention of London or Rio

You statement was about no Russians under 2:12.

Sticking with the facts, a Russian ran 2:09 in London.

Of course, you will try to present more spin away from your original statement, and what happens is that its just trolling and a waste of time.

jCo=jon Orange.

His brain is full of sh*t.

There is not enough evidence about who is taking EPO (and many of the Russians were taking other PEDs as well) to make any sort of definitive conclusion.

I am only talking specifically about the Russian revelations. I believe that there is a vast amount of research that shows EPO works. It is incumbent upon those who say it does not to prove their thesis.

Let's also not forget that modern America has reverted to mid-1980s philosophy, and those dirty Red Ruskies are to blame for everything again. Have you been paying attention to the rhetoric for the last few years? Slowly but surely, we've begun talking about them like a threatening enemy. Strange.

But perhaps that explains why this bust ever happened. Those Russians can't be trusted. They're not clean like us Americans.

If you need any confirmation that EPO does indeed work, look no further than the Like of El Guerrouj, Komen, Geb, Morcelli, et al circa 1998.

Jonathon Orange? Jon how's it going? This is like your 4th thread in 5 years about how PEDs don't work. Glad to hear from you.

So you want to limit it to the last 8 years?

Well Jonny, what about the 2:09 Guy?

Sure, the Russkies that want to run 2:06 would have to go train in the mountains in Ethiopia, and take the big doses of everything.

No low dosing. You have to go for the weak mind disease all out doping.

Nice to talk to you.

Like this Jon.

Liliya Shobukhova (Russia) - 2:18:20 ****

Rita Jeptoo (Kenya) - 2:18:57****

You can't be screwing around with the low dose. You have to go all in.

EPO doesn't work if you don't also train. Russian men don't like to train, except at drinking.