ACLU Suing Indiana Town for Cross on Christmas Tree Display

The Grinch

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Here in Texas, many of our law enforcement groups are really tweaking the ACLU by quoting our nation's motto in big letters on the back of the vehicle: "In God We Trust". So far.... crickets. The best way to fight these people is to exercise our rights, they can only fight so many battles.

Shoudn't this be the task of a Freedom From religion foundation? wtf ACLU.

Not too long a ago, I was a whistleblower and political enemy of a large educational institution which proceeded to use it's police force and hospital against me.

My medical privacy was violated, my privacy was violated, my civil rights were violated, and fair and due process was corrupted. My rights of free speech were violated. I asked the ACLU for help many times and they ignored me, rejected me and stonewall Jacksoned me.

The ACLU like other NGOs is not so much a legitimate organization as it is an institutional beast, beholden to the whims of fad and fancy of its current members, stakeholders and leaders. They claim to stand up for civil liberties and legal reform, but they are a product of and culturally kin with our broken law school and educational system. It's a joke. They exhibit All the stifling, selfish bureaucratic behavior displayed in other institutions that they claim to hold accountable.

Phony organization it is.

This useless organization is going to cry about the symbol of the cross? A great symbol, actually, of sacrifice, morals and societal accountability.

Why not cry about something that really matters? And on the topic, the apathy and actual corruption in our churches? Of course they can't because they don't know anything about religion, history, morals, humanities and don't have a genuine stake in anything.

Dang. For many years I hoped I could plead the case of This sad situation (of our schools, educational system, institutions, NGOs, corruption, legal abuse of power)

with Christians. Alas, however: Most of them schmooze, pray, recite shallow expository, make display of their affiliations,

but are willfully ignorant and resistant to thinking about or striving against the real plights in our society. Heaven save us.

/rant

Skyrunner wrote:

our nation's motto

E Pluribus Unum

Summa_Cum_Liturgica wrote:

This useless organization is going to cry about the symbol of the cross? A great symbol, actually, of sacrifice, morals and societal accountability.

Its a torture device.....

Religion is a Sham wrote:

Summa_Cum_Liturgica wrote:

This useless organization is going to cry about the symbol of the cross? A great symbol, actually, of sacrifice, morals and societal accountability.

Its a torture device.....

...hence the "sacrifice" the poster mentioned.

If you are going to mock religion, at least do it intelligently.

Why hate the ACLU over this? Their involvement wouldn't be necessary if the Indiana town would simply follow the Constitution (which "conservatives" profess to cherish) and keep religious symbols out of the public square. After all, does not the Bible instruct to "render unto Caesar", etc? #Establishmentclause

As an atheist these are the type of things I could care less about. Stuff like this is chasing windmills.

Save the lawsuits and outrage for real issues.

Skyrunner wrote:

Here in Texas, many of our law enforcement groups are really tweaking the ACLU by quoting our nation's motto in big letters on the back of the vehicle: "In God We Trust". So far.... crickets. The best way to fight these people is to exercise our rights, they can only fight so many battles.

Hi I also live in Texas but I don't believe in your god. Any chance we could change a few of those police cars to "In Allah we trust." ?

Omar79 wrote:

Skyrunner wrote:

Here in Texas, many of our law enforcement groups are really tweaking the ACLU by quoting our nation's motto in big letters on the back of the vehicle: "In God We Trust". So far.... crickets. The best way to fight these people is to exercise our rights, they can only fight so many battles.

Hi I also live in Texas but I don't believe in your god. Any chance we could change a few of those police cars to "In Allah we trust." ?

Christians and Muslims don't believe in a different God, they just call Him by different names.

Yeah, in Indiana we worship He Who Walks Behind the Rows.

bigtool05 wrote:

Omar79 wrote:

Hi I also live in Texas but I don't believe in your god. Any chance we could change a few of those police cars to "In Allah we trust." ?

Christians and Muslims don't believe in a different God, they just call Him by different names.

People call the Muslim God "Allah" for political purposes, in order to emphasize otherness. "Allah" is literally just the Arabic word for God. In Arabic versions of the Bible (which do exist), the Christian God is "Allah." Calling the Muslim God "Allah" is the same as calling a Mexican Christian's God "Dios."

bigtool05 wrote:

Omar79 wrote:

Hi I also live in Texas but I don't believe in your god. Any chance we could change a few of those police cars to "In Allah we trust." ?

Christians and Muslims don't believe in a different God, they just call Him by different names.

Hi. In your short sentence you have already made a crucial mistake between our two deities. In Islam, Allah does not have a gender. Please do not refer to Allah as him.

I am glad to see that you believe we(Muslims) are Christians who just speak another language, but that is not the case. Many of our beliefs differ from yours. Including our deity.

Establishment Clause. Try reading the Constitution sometime.

Even as atheist and ACLU supporter, I agree there are bigger fish to fry, though.

We have a diverse country now like it or not.

They should also add Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Rastafarian, Budhist and all kind of Pagan signs as well.

I think there are more important issues to worry about.

Waste of time for everyone.

Joplas wrote:

We have a diverse country now like it or not.

They should also add Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Rastafarian, Budhist and all kind of Pagan signs as well.

I am 100% for this. Even as a Christian (Catholic), I think this is a great idea. The thing is, this kind of lawsuit isn't usually initiated by someone of another faith, it is usually some political hack looking to start a fight.

I would love to have more attention drawn to various holidays of different faiths and traditions, religious or not. Obviously it makes sense to have the actual people of faith/tradition put on the events, so these would be authentic. I am not sure if some of the other faiths have Christmas traditions, but I would hope they would be welcomed. I would certainly welcome them.

I wish we had more of this going on in the world. I know it is a pipe dream on a global scale, but it would be nice if we could pull it off here in the USA. I lived in DC for a while and my Catholic church used to do events with the National Mosque on Mass Ave. It was so much fun. We had a large daytime party and all brought food. Even though we had some killer food from our church, nothing compared to the food from the mosque. Unbelievable.

It was nice and I miss that now that we're no longer in DC. Such a microcosm of something that could be (but never will be) on a global scale. But sometimes I think about it: If a few hundred of us from each church/mosque could pull it off, why is it so impossible on a national scale? If we could do it on a national scale, maybe there is hope on a global scale...?

Religion is a Sham wrote:

Summa_Cum_Liturgica wrote:

This useless organization is going to cry about the symbol of the cross? A great symbol, actually, of sacrifice, morals and societal accountability.

Its a torture device.....

Let's burn the xmas tree down p!ss on the ashes, then put a temporary mosque on the square and see how many of these ACLU complainers go to the ACLU looking for help.

Separation of church and state matters.

Jews, Christians, and Muslims (aka the people of The Book) all worship the "God" of Abraham. It's the same (alleged) deity for all of them.

As an earlier poster pointed out, public lands/funds should not support religion *or irreligion*--the whole topic simply should not arise in a government context. SCOTUS (9-0) reiterated this Constitutional point, nearly 70 years ago:

"The 'establishment of religion' clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government . . . can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions or prefer one religion over another. . . . No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion. . . . In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect 'a wall of separation between Church and State.'" Everson v. Board of Education, 330 U.S. 1, 15-16 (1947). [All emphases mine.]