Footlocker and NXN should merge.

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QuiteSure

3 years ago 12/09/2016 7:51am CST

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Here is how:
Keep the qualifying meets the same in the 8 regions on NXN. Same # of teams and same 3 individuals qualify.
Then have another meet for individuals like FLN regionals. 10 from each of the 4 regions.

Yes this would be a large race- 64 individuals and 190 individuals- so about 250, so it would have to be a pretty wide course, but NXN has 190 now so its not that diff.
Coach G

3 years ago 12/09/2016 8:13am CST
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Both races are all about attracting attention to their brand it's what we call in the real world ADVERTISING.

Why would they merge they gain nothing by such a move.
suis non

3 years ago 12/09/2016 11:13am CST
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Keep them separate. One team championship race, one individual championship race. Footlocker should extend individual invitations to the top 10 or so NXN finishers, though. No reason you couldn't increase the FL field from 40 to 50 or 60.
notbroke

3 years ago 12/09/2016 11:20am CST
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Why would Footlocker extend an invitation to the top NXN guys when the top guys in the country are at Footlocker and everyone recognizes that it has always been the way? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
rosiep

3 years ago 12/09/2016 6:30pm CST
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the two races have different character - strengths, quirks, appeal
when you merge, that is lost
The argument for extending the invites for FL should be only on time at nationally recognized courses to ensure you got the same dist.
Some years you have regional weaknesses so just moving from 10 to 30 could be detrimental. Crowds on tight turns lead to worse finishes for the top performers.
I sort of like it as it is but I appreciate your point of view.
Avocado's Number

3 years ago 12/09/2016 10:18pm CST
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suis non wrote:
Footlocker should extend individual invitations to the top 10 or so NXN finishers, though.

Interesting idea. I really don't care about high school team competition, but I do pay attention to match-ups of the top individuals, and it's disappointing when some of the very best are absent from Footlocker. Even extending invitations to the top three NXN finishers might be enough to renew Footlocker's credibility as the unofficial national high school championship. I don't know if Footlocker has any concerns about implicitly acknowledging the quality of the top finishers at NXN, but at this point, I'd probably be more concerned about losing the war altogether. Footlocker can always decide to yank the NXN invitations in later years.

QuiteSure

3 years ago 12/09/2016 10:37pm CST
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I appreciate all the responses. You all brought up things I didn't think about.
They are totally different races and they are good together.

An idea would be make nxn earlier and then use the top 10 to go to footlocker automatically. The footlocker meets could be on the same day. The issue would be conflict with state meets, but they can change their dates.

NXN could be like Nov 25th ish and then foolocker could be dec 10 ish, that way you could have nxn qualifying meets nov 10th ish
Al Iverson........

3 years ago 12/09/2016 11:20pm CST
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The NXN west regional finished on a FuKKing TRACK!! A Track. Can you believe that. I mean its supposed to be CROSS COUNTRY and they are finishing on a TRACK? Are you serious? A TRACK? I mean it's a track. You can't finish on a TRACK when you are running XC.
Sayer of mad bro

3 years ago 12/09/2016 11:21pm CST
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Al Iverson........ wrote:

The NXN west regional finished on a FuKKing TRACK!! A Track. Can you believe that. I mean its supposed to be CROSS COUNTRY and they are finishing on a TRACK? Are you serious? A TRACK? I mean it's a track. You can't finish on a TRACK when you are running XC.

You mad bro?
Working at FL in the mall

3 years ago 12/10/2016 7:03am CST
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I do not notice any increase in people entering our store, or in sales immediately around FL XC championships - but its a little tough to tell since the holidays are approaching. I'm in college and have been working at FL since junior year in HS part-time. I'll be there this afternoon! Anyhow - I don't think FL gets real advertising return on this XC investment. We sell a good deal of running shoes, but mostly to people over 30 years old or really young kids. Maybe sponsoring this race helps bring these types in the store as well, but I doubt most of them even know that the race exists. I know that most of the fast HS and post-college runners in our area go to a couple local running specialty shops for their shoes, or just order online.

FL seems to make most of their money selling overpriced branded t-shirts, baseball hats, basketball shorts, and basketball shoes. I have fun working there, but I would not be surprised to see FL fold-up shop in a few years, in which case they will stop sponsoring the race. If so, this will all be a moot point, as we will only have NXN unless another company chooses to pick-up the sponsorship after FL.
runn

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3 years ago 12/10/2016 7:36am CST
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suis non wrote:

Keep them separate. One team championship race, one individual championship race. Footlocker should extend individual invitations to the top 10 or so NXN finishers, though. No reason you couldn't increase the FL field from 40 to 50 or 60.

The problem is- if a great individual is on a great team he/she will run Nike.
In some regions you can't do both.
Check out the FL NE Regional- how many "significant" NYers ran?
I think almost none.
yuiop

3 years ago 12/10/2016 11:09am CST
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notbroke wrote:

Why would Footlocker extend an invitation to the top NXN guys when the top guys in the country are at Footlocker and everyone recognizes that it has always been the way? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Simply not factually correct. Not saying that FL hasn't been a little deeper on the guys traditionally, but not all of the top boys do FL. And on the girls, it's certainly in NXN's favor in recent years.

mkng1

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3 years ago 12/10/2016 2:01pm CST
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I like the idea of extending invites to top individuals, particularly in the west. It would make it so top individuals wouldn't have to decide between FL qualifying or racing NXN. I'd like to keep them separate. However, I'm not sure how much longer FL will keep up the race. I'd be shocked if it did anything material for their brand. I watch every year and can't remember if the last time I went in one of their stores. They should probably try to find a shoe company to partner with. It's likely much cheaper to put on the NXN due to the lower # of individuals and no teams.
QuiteSure

3 years ago 12/10/2016 2:18pm CST
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mkng1 wrote:

I like the idea of extending invites to top individuals, particularly in the west. It would make it so top individuals wouldn't have to decide between FL qualifying or racing NXN. I'd like to keep them separate. However, I'm not sure how much longer FL will keep up the race. I'd be shocked if it did anything material for their brand. I watch every year and can't remember if the last time I went in one of their stores. They should probably try to find a shoe company to partner with. It's likely much cheaper to put on the NXN due to the lower # of individuals and no teams.

defiantly cheaper- 80 vs 360 people, heck yeah, its basically a normal race but they pay for hotels and flights and stuff for the kids, probably not more than 3k per kid, thats only 240k, for such a big company
I feel the same way

3 years ago 12/10/2016 10:29pm CST
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Avocado's Number wrote:

I really don't care about high school team competition, but I do pay attention to match-ups of the top individuals, and it's disappointing when some of the very best are absent from Footlocker. Even extending invitations to the top three NXN finishers might be enough to {enhance] Footlocker's credibility as the unofficial national high school championship.

I watch the NXN team races, primarily for the individuals at the front, but don't like the team concept, and much prefer the way Footlocker does their races. Even so, extending invitations to the top three at NXN would only increase the fields from 40 to 43. I think they had a similar agreement right after splitting, but it didn't work out.
Widijdjdie

3 years ago 12/10/2016 10:40pm CST
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Lol, the fl west regional at mt.sac finished on the track as well - the last 300m
Utah Girl Chronicles

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3 years ago 12/11/2016 1:03am CST
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Footlocker would fold their race up and hand it over to Nike in a heartbeat if Nike wanted that. Footlocker as a corporation would last only about six more months if Nike no longer wanted them as a prime vendor. When Nike snaps their fingers, Footlocker jumps. It's a symbiotic relationship where Footlocker does a lot of Nike's dirty work.
CWRP

3 years ago 12/11/2016 1:50am CST
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It's funny. I've read these same posts since year one of NXN. Both race are great. Let them both do their thing.
OvO

3 years ago 12/11/2016 2:02am CST
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They could easily make it so that going to both would be possible. Do all FL Regionals on one week, all Nike Regionals on another. Same with the Nationals. Boom.
They have...

3 years ago 12/11/2016 2:08am CST
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mkng1 wrote:
They should probably try to find a shoe company to partner with.

Right now they are with New Balance, they were with Asics for a good number of years, and they might have been with saucony at one point too. Have you even paid attention???