The dude is just amazing totally unpushed and as you can tell the race was tactical. Even at the end, there was barely a grimace on his face. There was a thread started last year titled "Casey Clinger can BEAT Drew Hunter". I disagreed with that last year, but now I'm wondering whether Hs senior Casey Clinger can beat Hs senior Drew Hunter in a 5k xc race.
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NXN IS SOFT.
I hope the kid runs Foot Locker. I've been in this sport over 20 years and there were probably 4-5 "great" runners out there and that's it.
Man amongst boys.
glj/ wrote:
NXN IS SOFT.
I hope the kid runs Foot Locker. I've been in this sport over 20 years and there were probably 4-5 "great" runners out there and that's it.
Man amongst boys.
Cut the crap.
Bottom line- in regions where you can't run both, the strong individuals who re on great teams will not run FL.
FL is drained of SOME talent because of that.
THEN, the top individuals will go where the best talent is- Nike, in those regions where you can't run both.
XC is a team sport. FL missed the boat when they turned down Nike's offer to have a team race there.
runn wrote:
XC is a team sport.
Not really..
glj/ wrote:
NXN IS SOFT.
I hope the kid runs Foot Locker. I've been in this sport over 20 years and there were probably 4-5 "great" runners out there and that's it.
Man amongst boys.
For someone in the sport so long you should know that 8 out of the top 10 were in the race.
macdaddy wrote:
runn wrote:XC is a team sport.
Not really..
Yes it is
runn wrote:
glj/ wrote:NXN IS SOFT.
I hope the kid runs Foot Locker. I've been in this sport over 20 years and there were probably 4-5 "great" runners out there and that's it.
Man amongst boys.
Cut the crap.
Bottom line- in regions where you can't run both, the strong individuals who re on great teams will not run FL.
FL is drained of SOME talent because of that.
THEN, the top individuals will go where the best talent is- Nike, in those regions where you can't run both.
XC is a team sport. FL missed the boat when they turned down Nike's offer to have a team race there.
You cut the crap. XC has always been BOTH an individual and team sport. You Nike shills just won't quit and that's why you deserve all of the sh!t thrown your way.
Sorry, but Ches, LV, and Fisher would all have run that course at 15min. Surely Clinger would have run faster on a dry course, but to his credit he didn't have much competition today. Too bad. Wish there was championship instead of two.
macdaddy wrote:
runn wrote:XC is a team sport.
Not really..
Exactly Daddy.
While they may keep score for the team and it's all exciting to be on a team in contention, all the talk, hype, and glory still shines on the individual. At a championship level, FL format rules for High School if really deciding who the best is. Just look at track and field. Do we really care which "group" (team) can compile a conglomeration of points at a meet? Sure, to crown a team, but we really care more about individual events and who individually wins them. Cross country team format does not truly jive with deciphering the best runner because thesr are 100+ other runners who would never get there on their own credentials and they in turn displace much better runners.
Were you guys really watching Carson Clinger come in 4th runner for AF @ 100somethingth place among a hundred other runners. Doubt it. Fireworks happen at the front and it is individuals who we glorify. Championship level races are supposed to be for the best runners period and some of these schools have 3rd 4th and 5th runners who can"t break 17:00! Meanwhile, pretty much everybody at FL can easily hit 15:20 or better for PR. NXN is great and the only showcase for high school teams nationally but it does clutter who is truly best. Simple answer: Compile the top 40 runners in the nation, period and have a meet to decide......Oh wait.
(Since AF didn't win team title, I guarantee Clinger is have thoughts of FL now. Winning back to back at nxn is special but I bet he would rather be on the list of FL winners along side of Hunter, Fisher, Ches, Rupp, LV, Ritz., Solinsky, Kennedy, Goucher, etc..)
He ran 15:03 last year there.
asifgahgh wrote:
The dude is just amazing totally unpushed and as you can tell the race was tactical. Even at the end, there was barely a grimace on his face. There was a thread started last year titled "Casey Clinger can BEAT Drew Hunter". I disagreed with that last year, but now I'm wondering whether Hs senior Casey Clinger can beat Hs senior Drew Hunter in a 5k xc race.
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Senior Hunter would win this matchup, dude was an absolute monster... Clinger may be close on a good day but drew was superior
Yeah, maybe because I'm older.
Since Nike has started, I still primarily check Foot Locker. I think I've looked at NXN's results only for the individual race. I honestly don't know a single team that's won.
Has Clinger made his college choice yet?
No I don't think so but to other posters he would be crushed by Hunter. They are both great runners obviously but I watched Hunter win his regional last year and he beat Mcgortys record with ease. Nobody was close to him for a lot of the race and he made it look so easy. Seemed like he had plenty left in the tank and he ran an insane time there.
Yeah fl over Nxn wrote:
Yeah, maybe because I'm older.
Since Nike has started, I still primarily check Foot Locker. I think I've looked at NXN's results only for the individual race. I honestly don't know a single team that's won.
Heard of FM?
Clinger beat brodey hastey who broke drew hunters wake med/great American course record by 10 seconds and was about 15 sec faster than McGorty on the course. Hastey's time at wake med was just 10sec slower than hunters FL south time. By the transitive property...
Ficustree wrote:
Clinger beat brodey hastey who broke drew hunters wake med/great American course record by 10 seconds and was about 15 sec faster than McGorty on the course. Hastey's time at wake med was just 10sec slower than hunters FL south time. By the transitive property...
If you actually think Hastey could be hunter...
otter wrote:
glj/ wrote:NXN IS SOFT.
I hope the kid runs Foot Locker. I've been in this sport over 20 years and there were probably 4-5 "great" runners out there and that's it.
Man amongst boys.
For someone in the sport so long you should know that 8 out of the top 10 were in the race.
ANd the only one that was supposed to be any good - Principe Jr was sick.
Let's compare the tully runner ratings after FL is over.
Can anybody comment on the weather conditions or difficulty of the race. The times look more like a Juco XC meet (without the foreigners)...mid 15s and they want a scholarship to D1 universities?
Course was soggy and slick, I sunk in a few inches just walking on it