HOW LONG UNTIL FRATERNITIES ARE BANNED?

After reading that article it would seem that schools would be best served by distancing themselves from these liabilities; not sure if that means "banning" but "not endorsing" appears to be the prudent action.

comicbookguy wrote:

opps

Here's the link

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/03/the-dark-power-of-fraternities/357580/

Funny how the frats are so quick to disavow their "brothers" when the stuff gets real.

There's some good info in there about risk management. Heck, even a few dorky XC runners could learn a thing or two from that. The frats have that underage drinking thing down pretty well, take notes if you are team that likes to party.

It's off season time, so you guys will be blowing off steam after XC and before track, take notes on how its done w/o liability for your friends stupid decisions.

Wanting to ban all fraternities is like wanting to ban all Islamic people from coming to America.

It will be a long while until they are banned. People secretly love the culture that frat's promote, although it's portrayed as disgusting by some and in the media. They love to push boundaries, to get wild and drink and lose all control while doing crazy and illegal things. Then act as if these things are wrong in front of kids and a politically correct type of audience. But when the kids and politically correct clowns are gone, the frat boys come out in full force. Even though rape happens through these groups, people will ignore the fact of the matter and just depict it as the fault one bad apple or something along those lines.

I hated fraternities, just to be clear, and would have been happy to have had them banned when I was in school. But a bunch of guys living in a house and socializing in a house in Cayuga Heights is not a fraternity even if they give themselves a Greek sounding name. Fraternities are national organizations that get approval from individual universities to exist within that university. They have some sort of official status with their school. I don't know exactly how that works specifically, but schools can and have banned fraternities and have enforced disciplinary measures against individual students who have continued to behave as if they are still members of those banned fraternities.

In your example, the students living in that house in Cayuga Heights could be suspended or even expelled for living in that house if the university decided it was functioning as an unapproved fraternity.

I never said that the frats in question were not associated with a national organization. Obviously they are.

I would be interested in seeing some case law supporting your assertion that a school can discipline a student for being a part of an off-campus fraternity that was not approved by the school. Seems to violate the right to free association, but I'm certainly not an expert in that area of law.

I recall cases over the years of students being disciplined for being part of banned fraternities but can't think of specific examples. I know that schools are sometimes able to restrict students from doing things that are permitted by the Constitution. Prohibitions against "hate speech" come to mind.

comicbookguy wrote:

Great article on Frats and how they work, their history, etc..

If you want to make frats smaller and less influencial you don't ban them, you drop the legal drinking age to 19.

That kills frats.

They are in essence underage drinking clubs. Once people are of legal age they go to clubs and bars like everyone else in the world, only a real loser is at the frat house after age 22.

You must not realize that until about 1983 the drinking age was 18. Fraternities were in existence long before then and probably had much greater participation than today.

Several fraternities have been banned recentlyat various schools according to this article:

https://mic.com/articles/104310/another-university-had-stopped-greek-life-after-a-disturbing-incident#.TdddJDqnH

Members may well be able to continue living in frat houses and maintaining membership but their activities can be prohibited.

Psycho-logist wrote:

I can virtually guarantee your motives are not altruistic. Your problem is not with the culture of the fraternity itself, your problem is with the fact that a certain segment of masculinity (which is often mirrored within fraternities) has rejected you.

"Oh, but I would never want to join anyway!" If that is your reaction, you are subconsciously supporting my statement. It is easier to claim you didn't want something than to face rejection. In other words, "the problem is them not me," when in actuality the problem is, indeed, you.

Well said.

George Boycott wrote:

Several fraternities have been banned recentlyat various schools according to this article:

https://mic.com/articles/104310/another-university-had-stopped-greek-life-after-a-disturbing-incident#.TdddJDqnH

Members may well be able to continue living in frat houses and maintaining membership but their activities can be prohibited.

Your article refers to "on-campus incidents,"which makes me assume that this refers to on-campus frats, so I'm not sure what bearing it has on my point that frats can exist off-campus and out of the purview of the university. Do you have any evidence that universities have enacted bans of all fraternities (on-campus and off-campus) that have held up to legal challenge?

thetruefactmaniac wrote:

I was in a fraternity.

Way to try and debunk a very valid argument with a childish take. This might be a good time to go KYS. (asking on behalf of your family)

Telling someone to kill himself does not persuade many to the superiority of your or any fraternity.

Frats may well be able to maintain residences off campus even if they're banned though some schools only allow students to live in approved off campus housing in which case the school simply could remove approval of the former frat house.

But even if the house remains the frat would not be able to function. It couldn't recruit new members because it can't have rushes and pledging. And parties, the lifeblood of frats, are largely filled with underage drinkers. Everyone knows that and schools largely look the other way and allow that. All a school would need to do is have police hang out near the banned frat's house and break up the parties. And I'm pretty sure, though not certain, that a school could get the frat's national organization to pull certification for the branch on its campus and it's done. I cannot answer your final question with evidence. I do recall cases where schools have banned fraternities but can't recall where.

Amherst banned all fraternities in 2014. Middlebury and Williams did the same several years back. Students simply aren't allowed to belong to them regardless of where the residences are located.

thetruefactmaniac wrote:

They are basically training grounds for date rape. The culture is disgusting.

3 years over or under?

Well let's see, Donald Trump was just elected with lots of support. Donald Trump praises Ronald Reagan. Ronny Reagan repped TKE.

Greek life is an inexorable part of the social fabric at most state party schools, which are major components of our society.

I'd say if you wanted to bring about the demise of fraternities (Greek life as a whole) you'd have to first:

Impeach Donald Trump

Erase Ronald Reagan from the history books

Eliminate college (as we know it)

Get rid of Instagram

Reinstitute Prohibition (for good measure)

Even after you've done that it might still be far fetched.

In 2005 Colgate required all off campus fraternities and sororities to sell their houses to the university. If they refused the organization would be banned and students who "went underground" and maintained membership in such organizations could be expelled. One fraternity challenged this policy in court and lost. The frat was banned and any Colgate student who remained associated with it risks expulsion.

Sheesh, Cornell can't even tell a group of guys from an Ithaca College frat not to assemble on the Cornell campus and refrain from stabbing one of their guests to death.

thetruefactmaniac wrote:

I was in a fraternity.

Way to try and debunk a very valid argument with a childish take. This might be a good time to go KYS. (asking on behalf of your family)

Why then do you embrace hate? Just wondering.

thetruefactmaniac wrote:

They are basically training grounds for date rape. The culture is disgusting.

They are not training grounds for date rape, but the culture is kinda disgusting.

A large fraction of the guys a couple pledge classes above mine are in their early 30s and still getting blacked out at tailgate parties every weekend. Honestly, my house consisted of druggie burnouts, but, from what I can tell, every house is like that, with the only difference being where they fall on the nerd or jock spectrum.

Everyone knows that sorority recruitment is basically a beauty pageant and the girls who don't get a bid from the "top" houses secretly resent the sorority they join. The hot sororities at party schools like Arizona State put in hundreds of thousands of dollars into recruiting the hottest incoming freshmen.