He did split 45.6 in that relay despite the stumble continuing past the start line for him. That is very impressive for an 800m/1500m guy. He looks exceptionally fluid at speed as well in the race after nearly falling. I wonder what he could have run in the 1500m in 1981 with an El Guerrouj in the race (but epo unavailable to Coe, who would have had only the possibility of blood doping and steroids still).
jjjjjj wrote:
He did split 45.6 in that relay despite the stumble continuing past the start line for him. That is very impressive for an 800m/1500m guy. He looks exceptionally fluid at speed as well in the race after nearly falling. I wonder what he could have run in the 1500m in 1981 with an El Guerrouj in the race (but epo unavailable to Coe, who would have had only the possibility of blood doping and steroids still).
Irregardless. His 400 PB is still 46.9. A fine time in its own right. Relay splits just don't count....and they shouldn't. Would you consider Lee Evans relay split from Mexico City to be his PB? Why not?
mahmoud wrote:
jjjjjj wrote:He did split 45.6 in that relay despite the stumble continuing past the start line for him. That is very impressive for an 800m/1500m guy. He looks exceptionally fluid at speed as well in the race after nearly falling. I wonder what he could have run in the 1500m in 1981 with an El Guerrouj in the race (but epo unavailable to Coe, who would have had only the possibility of blood doping and steroids still).
Irregardless. His 400 PB is still 46.9. A fine time in its own right. Relay splits just don't count....and they shouldn't. Would you consider Lee Evans relay split from Mexico City to be his PB? Why not?
You people really are legitimately bizarre.
800ftw. wrote:
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:I'd be about 90% sure he broke 14 mins for 5k in a training time trial at some stage, but he probably knew that he needed to get closer to 13 minutes in order to be competitive. Anyhow he was competitive over 800m & 1500m throughout his career, so no need to experiment.
It has been suggested that Coe could run around ~13:30 based upon some monster endurance sessions he did.
The late Frank Horwill wrote this:
But where did Coe get his amazing endurance from? The answer came to me in 1986 when I went to Battersea Park Track one Saturday morning with a 13:11 5km performer to do a session of 7 x 800m at 5km speed with 45 secs rest. The rep times were fixed at 2:08 because the 5km runner was returning to fitness after injury. Coe was on the track and came across and asked what we were doing and could he join in? I felt a little apprehensive that an acknowledged 800m/1,500m runner would not survive a 5km pace session with a short recovery. The 800ms went like this: 2:08, 2:06, 2:04, 2:02, 2:00, 1:58 and 1:56! Coe led them all. Afterwards, he confessed that he did a 5km pace session at 13:20 speed each week. I ventured the opinion that he could run a good 5km anytime. He agreed, but said he didn't like the event! It is doubtful whether any 800m runner before or since could have completed such a session in such times.
Was this in the BMC journal? I might have read something similar once.
I would venture that his abilities over 5k would be roughly similar to Cram's and he did a half-hearted 13:28.
I would venture Coe would run close to 14:11 for 5000m PB in his prime.
Someone look up his PR.
glj/ wrote:
there's a kid on my hs team that has split 46.7.. coe was a professional mid-distance man. What is impressive? Doesn't that A&M kid Brazier have 45-sec and 1:43 speed?
Coe could do 45 and 1:41 and make it to the Olympics
glj/ wrote:
I would venture Coe would run close to 14:11 for 5000m PB in his prime.
Someone look up his PR.
A brisk jog, not even a tempo run.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvgymbBg-xARangers wrote:
glj/ wrote:I would venture Coe would run close to 14:11 for 5000m PB in his prime.
Someone look up his PR.
A brisk jog, not even a tempo run.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvgymbBg-xA
He's not very good at maths " nice to test myself over a distance that is twice as far as my championship races" .......
Oh and also "5 times the 800m", apparently.
Did he have the best running style or what?! Smoooooooth!
800ftw. wrote:
Oh and also "5 times the 800m", apparently.
Initially he probably meant both championship races together but it's not the first time he dazzled the world with his math ineptitude.
He mentioned something about moving to the 5000 and knowing that nobody could outrun him in the first or last mile and so it was just the five and a half laps in the middle he needed to worry about.
mahmoud wrote:
jjjjjj wrote:He did split 45.6 in that relay despite the stumble continuing past the start line for him. That is very impressive for an 800m/1500m guy. He looks exceptionally fluid at speed as well in the race after nearly falling. I wonder what he could have run in the 1500m in 1981 with an El Guerrouj in the race (but epo unavailable to Coe, who would have had only the possibility of blood doping and steroids still).
Irregardless. His 400 PB is still 46.9. A fine time in its own right. Relay splits just don't count....and they shouldn't. Would you consider Lee Evans relay split from Mexico City to be his PB? Why not?
Actually it's 46.8 if you're going to be pissy!
Yes, go back and look harry.
A couple of surges.
I wonder why LRC lets Europeans post really ...
Never say anything if substance.
Rangers wrote:
glj/ wrote:I would venture Coe would run close to 14:11 for 5000m PB in his prime.
Someone look up his PR.
A brisk jog, not even a tempo run.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvgymbBg-xA
Not sure about that he let things boil down to a sprint finish on the last lap in that video. He ran 14 06? which was a fine run early in the season but he sadly he did not have a proven track record over 5K. A shame really maybe he could have been another Aouita. His marathon PB of ~2-58 was also a little dissapointing given that Steve Cram ran ~2h40 while talking on his mobile phone. Anyway he was still one of the greatest middle distance runners of all time.
Panorama wrote:
Rangers wrote:A brisk jog, not even a tempo run.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvgymbBg-xANot sure about that he let things boil down to a sprint finish on the last lap in that video. He ran 14 06? which was a fine run early in the season but he sadly he did not have a proven track record over 5K. A shame really maybe he could have been another Aouita. His marathon PB of ~2-58 was also a little dissapointing given that Steve Cram ran ~2h40 while talking on his mobile phone. Anyway he was still one of the greatest middle distance runners of all time.
Because he was jogging. That lets a 14:15 guy keep up and necessitates sprinting away for assurance.
coe's ultimate speed was always indicated here where he tried again to draft off a hugely sub-par cruz & got hammered again :
https://youtu.be/4NNKBFEgYoM?t=426
there are some serious shocking races in that link
acerbic poster please analyse ALL...
Cruz was not hugely sub par in this race. 85 was his 2nd best ever season and he was getting better with every race at the tail end of 85. He wasn't in his peak 84 shape, but pretty close.
Coe had missed a month's training by this point in 85 and was running with a n old back problem which forced him to pull out of several races. He was the one below par here. A shadow of his 81 peak or even that of 84 and 86.
This race only goes to show that if he could run a 1:43.0 in one of his worst seasons, he was certainly capable of at least 1:42 low in 84 or 86, had he been in a race like this, when he was in much better form.
2 laps wrote:
Cruz was not hugely sub par in this race. 85 was his 2nd best ever season and he was getting better with every race at the tail end of 85. He wasn't in his peak 84 shape, but pretty close.
Coe had missed a month's training by this point in 85 and was running with a n old back problem which forced him to pull out of several races. He was the one below par here. A shadow of his 81 peak or even that of 84 and 86.
This race only goes to show that if he could run a 1:43.0 in one of his worst seasons, he was certainly capable of at least 1:42 low in 84 or 86, had he been in a race like this, when he was in much better form.
What about how in 1985 Cram blasted past him? Ouch! Ventolin.
Mind you Cruz is a really, really nice guy. Very helpful.
Notice Coe's quote? "Cruz is coming back into form and just needs a couple more races to put him right".
To make him more dead and get him back into peak form.
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
2 laps wrote:Cruz was not hugely sub par in this race. 85 was his 2nd best ever season and he was getting better with every race at the tail end of 85. He wasn't in his peak 84 shape, but pretty close.
Coe had missed a month's training by this point in 85 and was running with a n old back problem which forced him to pull out of several races. He was the one below par here. A shadow of his 81 peak or even that of 84 and 86.
This race only goes to show that if he could run a 1:43.0 in one of his worst seasons, he was certainly capable of at least 1:42 low in 84 or 86, had he been in a race like this, when he was in much better form.
What about how in 1985 Cram blasted past him? Ouch! Ventolin.
Mind you Cruz is a really, really nice guy. Very helpful.
To be fair to Cruz, his defeat to Cram was a week or so before this, and it was only by a few tenths, and he was the target in front. By this race. Cruz went quicker 1:42.5 , to Cram's 1:42.8. Had they raced here it would have been a toss up as to who would have won.
Also, Cram was at his career peak during those 6 weeks late summer.
Had Cruz post LA been in that race with Cram in Zurich 85, he would definitely have beaten him.