Lance is broke wrote:
You're not one of those guys despite wearing the "kit"
Runners can't afford "kit". Any cycling club has their own club jersey that at least makes them look semi professional where as runners in a running club look ragged and unprofessional.
Wise One wrote:
Lance is broke wrote:You're not one of those guys despite wearing the "kit"
Runners can't afford "kit". Any cycling club has their own club jersey that at least makes them look semi professional where as runners in a running club look ragged and unprofessional.
Oh. OK. That was quite the riposte.
Wise One wrote:
Lance is broke wrote:You're not one of those guys despite wearing the "kit"
Runners can't afford "kit". Any cycling club has their own club jersey that at least makes them look semi professional where as runners in a running club look ragged and unprofessional.
Whereas is actually one word.
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
Smarter when? wrote:Smarter "then"?
True, than is more correct. It is these android auto-type spelling, just a nuisance. Just remember I have a different anglo accent to most.
More correct? 100% correct is more than 0% correct I guess.
disgraceful_admin wrote:
Wise One wrote:I bet you ride a granny gear.
Good in your eyes is probably "wobbles all over the road and takes out the whole pack in a crash".
Pedaling technique, balance, handling skills, and pack riding are a huge part of cycling and if you don't have them, you won't even make it to the start of the climb and you will waste tons of energy even climbing. The whole pack will drop you or crash you out long before the first hill.
Anyone that knows anything about cycling can tell you that the pedaling technique for climbing is greatly different to even flat land riding. And runners generally don't have the muscles required to output lots of power on sustained climbs. It uses your legs muscles in different ways compared to running. And a distance runner would have zero hope against the cyclists that can both climb and sprint well, like Peter Sagan. Sagan would drop Bekele riding on one wheel.
Think about the steepest hill you've ever rode up on a bike. On a 10% incline, a runner on a bike is likely to barely have enough strength to turn the pedals for more than 30 seconds or so, let alone for an HOUR as the guys in the Tour do.
To have a smooth pedal stroke, which is necessary if you're doing an hour-long climb on 5-10% grade, you'll need to generate significant power on the upstroke. That is, you'll need to use your hip flexors to power through the 330-10 degree portion of the cycle. Otherwise, you've got "dead space" in your stroke during which you're not generating power.
Think back to that steepest hill you've ever been on, where your quads could barely move the pedals. Now imagine having to turn the pedals using your hip flexors. As you might imagine, that would take an incredible amount of strength in the hip flexors that a runner simply doesn't have. Your options in this scenario are
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This is absolute and complete rubbish. I can hop on a bike with platform pedals and do a steady state climb at or near FTP. Clipless pedals help with controlling the feet and for accelerations, where you actually do pull up on the pedals.
There's no pulling up at any other point, much less on a steady climb. At best, the best riders in the world are "unloading" the upward-traveling pedal a bit more than worse riders. They're not pulling up with their hip flexors, whatever that means. In fact, the most efficient way of pedaling has been shown to be focusing on the downward stroke. Which is all sort of like "duh" to most people who pedal.
Don't buy the powercranks sauce. That shit ain't real.
Tests have shown that being clipped in makes no damned difference.
Cyclists are sheep.
dead headspace wrote:
Tests have shown that being clipped in makes no damned difference.
Cyclists are sheep.
Excuse me while I go throw away my clipless pedals and cut off my hamstrings.
Wise One wrote:
dead headspace wrote:Tests have shown that being clipped in makes no damned difference.
Cyclists are sheep.
Excuse me while I go throw away my clipless pedals and cut off my hamstrings.
You don't need clips to use your hamstrings.
Sheep these days...
dead headspace wrote:
Tests have shown that being clipped in makes no damned difference.
Cyclists are sheep.
You should read the tests more carefully, then read my post more carefully.
If you need help with said reading, get off the internet and go back to class.
Until then, don't jump in conversations you clearly know nothing about.
You don't need clips to use your hamstrings.
Sheep these days...
Clips?!!
Ignorant people these days.
Category 1 wrote:
disgraceful_admin wrote:Think about the steepest hill you've ever rode up on a bike. On a 10% incline, a runner on a bike is likely to barely have enough strength to turn the pedals for more than 30 seconds or so, let alone for an HOUR as the guys in the Tour do.
To have a smooth pedal stroke, which is necessary if you're doing an hour-long climb on 5-10% grade, you'll need to generate significant power on the upstroke. That is, you'll need to use your hip flexors to power through the 330-10 degree portion of the cycle. Otherwise, you've got "dead space" in your stroke during which you're not generating power.
Think back to that steepest hill you've ever been on, where your quads could barely move the pedals. Now imagine having to turn the pedals using your hip flexors. As you might imagine, that would take an incredible amount of strength in the hip flexors that a runner simply doesn't have. Your options in this scenario are
.
This is absolute and complete rubbish. I can hop on a bike with platform pedals and do a steady state climb at or near FTP. Clipless pedals help with controlling the feet and for accelerations, where you actually do pull up on the pedals.
There's no pulling up at any other point, much less on a steady climb. At best, the best riders in the world are "unloading" the upward-traveling pedal a bit more than worse riders. They're not pulling up with their hip flexors, whatever that means. In fact, the most efficient way of pedaling has been shown to be focusing on the downward stroke. Which is all sort of like "duh" to most people who pedal.
Don't buy the powercranks sauce. That shit ain't real.
Why don't you actually go out and do a 15-20 minute climb at FTP (or more at tempo) with platform pedals, then go do that same climb with clipless, and show us the power files with heart rate?
Category 1 wrote:
You don't need clips to use your hamstrings.
Sheep these days...
Clips?!!
Ignorant people these days.
You're clipped in therefore there must be clips.
Not our fault that the cycling community wanted to make up contradictory terms.
Category 1 wrote:
dead headspace wrote:Tests have shown that being clipped in makes no damned difference.
Cyclists are sheep.
You should read the tests more carefully, then read my post more carefully.
If you need help with said reading, get off the internet and go back to class.
Until then, don't jump in conversations you clearly know nothing about.
Baaaaaa!
dead headspace wrote:
Category 1 wrote:Clips?!!
Ignorant people these days.
You're clipped in therefore there must be clips.
Not our fault that the cycling community wanted to make up contradictory terms.
You must be a runner with no knowledge of cycling because you have no idea of what clips refer to.
disgraceful_admin wrote:
Category 1 wrote:This is absolute and complete rubbish. I can hop on a bike with platform pedals and do a steady state climb at or near FTP. Clipless pedals help with controlling the feet and for accelerations, where you actually do pull up on the pedals.
There's no pulling up at any other point, much less on a steady climb. At best, the best riders in the world are "unloading" the upward-traveling pedal a bit more than worse riders. They're not pulling up with their hip flexors, whatever that means. In fact, the most efficient way of pedaling has been shown to be focusing on the downward stroke. Which is all sort of like "duh" to most people who pedal.
Don't buy the powercranks sauce. That shit ain't real.
Why don't you actually go out and do a 15-20 minute climb at FTP (or more at tempo) with platform pedals, then go do that same climb with clipless, and show us the power files with heart rate?
How about racing up the hill and just taking the final time, you know like a race?
Only time matters wrote:
disgraceful_admin wrote:Why don't you actually go out and do a 15-20 minute climb at FTP (or more at tempo) with platform pedals, then go do that same climb with clipless, and show us the power files with heart rate?
How about racing up the hill and just taking the final time, you know like a race?
If he wants to do that then great but I suspect that "Category 1" isn't going to want to do 2 max effort time trials for the sake of LetsRun.
I also suspect he'll quit after 5 minutes with platform pedals after it becomes clear he's screwed.
But I'd be happy to be proved wrong.
Also, the last 2-5 minutes of the time trials should be done out of the saddle.
[quote]disgraceful_admin wrote:
I also suspect he'll quit after 5 minutes with platform pedals after it becomes clear he's screwed.
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So you've tried this? Or you just "know" it because of what you've been fed?
ever heard of Steve Prefontaine???
disgraceful_admin wrote:
Why don't you actually go out and do a 15-20 minute climb at FTP (or more at tempo) with platform pedals, then go do that same climb with clipless, and show us the power files with heart rate?
That's your attempted rebuttal? Why don't you actually go get a clue about what you're trying to debate?
Hell, maybe just pop on over to youtube. I think GCN made some videos a super lay person like yourself could even understand.
Category 1 wrote:
This is absolute and complete rubbish. I can hop on a bike with platform pedals and do a steady state climb at or near FTP. Clipless pedals help with controlling the feet and for accelerations, where you actually do pull up on the pedals.
There's no pulling up at any other point, much less on a steady climb. At best, the best riders in the world are "unloading" the upward-traveling pedal a bit more than worse riders. They're not pulling up with their hip flexors, whatever that means. In fact, the most efficient way of pedaling has been shown to be focusing on the downward stroke. Which is all sort of like "duh" to most people who pedal.
Don't buy the powercranks sauce. That shit ain't real.
Yes, from what I've read, true.
But according to our other resident cycling experts, Bekele couldn't climb a mountain because....he doesn't know how to pull up on the pedals. Funny stuff.