Last year one of my age-group-oponents ran 9:45 for 3000m as 15-yo. He also ran 1:54 for 800m this year but I only expected him to run 33:xx or 34low this year, because he is a mid-distance runner.
I made second place behind him in a 10-k-race in April this year. He ran 34:40. His run was all-out, because he was lying on the ground after the finish-line.
But now my chances are gone, because he ran a 31:40 for 10k at the Asics Grand 10.
How is that possible?
Baum wrote:
Last year one of my age-group-oponents ran 9:45 for 3000m as 15-yo. He also ran 1:54 for 800m this year but I only expected him to run 33:xx or 34low this year, because he is a mid-distance runner.
I made second place behind him in a 10-k-race in April this year. He ran 34:40. His run was all-out, because he was lying on the ground after the finish-line.
But now my chances are gone, because he ran a 31:40 for 10k at the Asics Grand 10.
How is that possible?
He wasn't anywhere near his potential when you raced him in April. A growing person can make large improvements quickly. He is probably very talented and made what you would call quick "beginner gains".
31:40 for a 16 yo in a 10k is approaching a national level time. I have seen a lot of quality 15:30ish HS kids struggle to break 33 in a 10k. Most just do not do enough longer efforts to run a good 10k. So, it may be that the 31:40 kid does a lot more miles and longer distances in workouts. It may also be that the kid is a real talent and will be a Div. I top recruit in a year or two. But you do not see very many 16 year olds breaking 32 in a 10k. That is a huge improvement. Not completely unbelievable, but very impressive.
He started putting in the serious miles while you were making whiny posts on this website.
Dramatically lying on the ground is called 'Putting on the Ritz". It doesn't actually indicate true effort level.
I bet you he is on drugs. Probably you too.
Baum wrote:
Last year one of my age-group-oponents ran 9:45 for 3000m as 15-yo. He also ran 1:54 for 800m this year but I only expected him to run 33:xx or 34low this year, because he is a mid-distance runner.
I made second place behind him in a 10-k-race in April this year. He ran 34:40. His run was all-out, because he was lying on the ground after the finish-line.
But now my chances are gone, because he ran a 31:40 for 10k at the Asics Grand 10.
How is that possible?
Those are quality times for a youngster.
To answer your question, he had already run 1:54 for 800m. That's a time that places in most state meets, heck, it will place you in most conference meets at the D2 college level...
If he really is more of a long distance guy who happens to own some speed then the 800m time indicated that he was just a good base period or two away from running a breakthrough at a longer distance.
I hope someone finds out who this kid is so we can follow the progression. Many on the boards would have given anything to have that kind of talent at that age.
A 16 year old with a 1:54/34:40 who runs reasonable summer miles is due for a big drop. 1:54 with equivalent endurance is probably worth sub 31. McMillan puts 1:54 as equal to (or predictive of?) 30:31 10k.
5:06 pace versus 5:35 pace for over 6 miles is a massive improvement in a short period of time for a 15-16 year old and certainly worth considering how it is possiblei ran 15:10 in college (was an 800m/1500m guy (1:51/3:50's) and probably would not have been able to break 32:00 in my best form. nowadays if i break 33:00 i'm super pumped
44 cal wrote:
Baum wrote:Last year one of my age-group-oponents ran 9:45 for 3000m as 15-yo. He also ran 1:54 for 800m this year but I only expected him to run 33:xx or 34low this year, because he is a mid-distance runner.
I made second place behind him in a 10-k-race in April this year. He ran 34:40. His run was all-out, because he was lying on the ground after the finish-line.
But now my chances are gone, because he ran a 31:40 for 10k at the Asics Grand 10.
How is that possible?
He wasn't anywhere near his potential when you raced him in April. A growing person can make large improvements quickly. He is probably very talented and made what you would call quick "beginner gains".
PitBull3 wrote:
He started putting in the serious miles while you were making whiny posts on this website.
This - 5 months is a LOT of time for me to get better if you use 5 months really smart you can make huge gains.
9:45 for a 15 year old is about average.
I know 15 year olds that went from 1.58 high in the 800m to 1.52 low in a single season. Thats simply what puberty and good training can do for kids in that age bracket.
Where are 16 year olds racing 10ks??
runlongandhard wrote:
9:45 for a 15 year old is about average.
Somebody does not know what \"average\" means.
Here in Germany 10-k on the street is a championchip-distance for u18.
For runners that are part of a "Landeskader" similar to a team of best runners of a state in the US, its required to take place in 10k-runs of "Landesmeisterschaften" = state championchips. Otherwise they are kicked out of the team. But most trainers dont like that rule, so there athletes just make a 10k-temporun.
His name is Elias Schreml .
And I dont think doping is the answer to everyone faster than you. Also I think it makes only 20-30 secondes for 10k.