UN demand US pay reparations for blacks.

Why not?

It beats working.

That docent count my family.

Our ancestors migrated as abolitionist from North Carolina, fought for the north and won a medal of honor at Resaca.

I do believe in reparations though, it will go a long way in putting a dent in the pathetic black illegitimacy rate.

I think you have responded too hastily. Do you want to continue living in a country that is constantly being berated about something that happened years ago, by people no longer alive? Something that nearly everyone in the country sees as embarrassing and terrible? No.

It is like watching the tumor on your arm continue to grow and grow and doing nothing about it. JUST GO GET THE DAMN THING CUT OFF AND BE DONE WITH IT!!!

So let's let the African-American leadership provide some tangible demands that will allow the descendants of slavery an equal chance at success. Let's hear them out.

If there is one thing I cannot stand, it is whining. I hear it from my kids and I say, what do you want? What will make it better? If they can provide an answer, I will work with them to satisfy their needs. If they just continue whining, I know they are tired and I send them to their room. The latter is not productive, and it is where we currently stand as a society. Let's go with the former and be done with it. Let's move past this disastrous mistake that we made and get things on track.

From an economic standpoint, it will be the right decision. Our welfare system is a broken mess and it needs to be addressed. Instead of wasting money paying year-after-year for this crap, let's enable those in poverty who are their as a result of slavery and racism to pull themselves out of the mess and become productive citizens. It is what we all want. It is what we all need.

Those who do nothing to help themselves after reparations are going to be left to their own devices. Nothing will help them.

becuz wrote:

[quote]Sayer of "This" wrote:

[quote]third generation American wrote:

The whole idea of reparations suggests the liberal mindset that money just appears out of nowhere

The Fed does create money out of nowhere and is not subject to being audited.

Please ask your high school econ teacher why that doesn't work the way you want it to...

I appreciate your thoughtful and reasoned response. But, are you suggesting that once we pay reparations to Blacks that all their problems will go away? Will they use their newfound funds wisely and with great prudence? Just like they use their welfare now - in many cases, spending on material stuff and essentially blowing it. When they run out of their share of reparations, will be not have to begin again the welfare program? Oh, we will need to reinstate that?

Flying Fancy wrote:

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Those who do nothing to help themselves after reparations are going to be left to their own devices. Nothing will help them.

And therein lies the gotcha. The above will never happen (never has in the past and never will in the future). An argument can be made that we have had 'reparations' in the form of affirmative action for at least two generations now. Things have gotten worse not better.

Sayer of "This" wrote:

becuz wrote:

[quote]Sayer of "This" wrote:

[quote]third generation American wrote:

The whole idea of reparations suggests the liberal mindset that money just appears out of nowhere

The Fed does create money out of nowhere and is not subject to being audited.

Please ask your high school econ teacher why that doesn't work the way you want it to...

While he is at it, he might want to ask that same teacher to phone old Hillary and explain to her why simply raising the minimum wage doesn't translate to more buying power for the minimum wage employees.

You were foolish enough to buy stock in an unethical company. You are paying for your own mistakes.

I will not be paying for some southern aristocrat, who has been dead for 150 years, evil deeds.

This is a response to both you and the gentleman below you who essentially asked the same question:

We need to bring in the African-American leadership and ask them what is needed. Is it one-million dollars for each slave descendant? Is it free college education? Is it a free house, un-taxed until passed on to the next of kin or sold? Let's let them make the rules, but the rules need to be tangible and clear. We need to rid our conscience of this terrible sin that we committed as a country.

We need to stop fighting it and just go with it. Let it be done. No more excuses.

"We" do not come up with the reparations, they do. Let them decide what is fair. They can decide and then "we" as a country will go with it. Done. Done and done.

Once it is done the penance is complete and we no longer fight about it any longer. We will always have a welfare program in this country but after making things truly equal for many of the underprivileged citizens, they will no longer need to utilize the system and it will be optimized for those who truly cannot help themselves... the way it should be. Those who squander their reparations or refuse them outright will clearly be a part of that group and they will be left to live at the low level of humane poverty until they can hopefully pull themselves out of it on their own.

done and done

Until next week when what we gave them this week wasn't enough.

Clearly I agree with your first comment, but if you read my other posts you will get a feel for why I disagree with your second comment. You might be surprised to find that you agree with me. Let's move on. Let's remove this enormous albatross and set sail into the future!

third generation American wrote:

done and done

Until next week when what we gave them this week wasn't enough.

No. This will be written into the country's history as an Amendment to the Constitution without any hindrances on the part of those defining the reparations. They call the shots. It will be decidedly done at that point. Any further arguments will surely be deemed foolish as there will be no boundaries to what they demand. Lay it out there and let's see what it is that "they" want from "us."

"They" being the African-American leadership who will represent the needs of the African-American citizens..

"Us" being the United States of America, including all of the aforementioned African-American citizens.

"They" and "Us" are not meant to represent races in this discussion. Instead, the two pronouns represent the two sides in the contract.

I won't even begin to delve into the myriad problems with what you are proposing. Those who - as you say - "squander" their reparations - will we not have Liberals demanding they receive welfare for humanitarian reasons? Seriously, your plan has like 100 holes but I have not time to go into each. But props to you for having a big heart.

Until next week, when they (who are the subset of us that are currently demanding reparations) declare that last week's agreement did not go far enough and demand more.

I understand your viewpoint but consider my solution a bit longer. Okay, we are always going to have welfare. There is no way around that. But welfare needs to be reserved for those who cannot fend for themselves, right? So for those who cannot fend for themselves, which will be a small % of the current welfare recipients, we will offer humane aid: shelter, safety, clothing and food.

But you must remember that we have relived both "us" and "them" from the figurative shackles - pun most certainly intended - of slavery. Your main point is the most important reason why African-American leadership must be the ones to establish the rules.

So the United States asks, "What can we do to make this right? Tell us what you want. What will remedy this terrible action committed by the founders of our country? Tell us what it is that you want, what it is that we can do and we will make it happen. Be specific so that we can make sure that we meet all of your needs and restore your ability to live a productive life right alongside your fellow citizens. Take care to include everything that you want, for this is a one-time Amendment that will not be repeated."

I am not sure how this is a bad deal for "them." Sure, it signals the end of the ability to blame things on slavery, but that is clearly a good thing. And there are no limits to what hey can demand as long as they are specific and tangible.

third generation American wrote:

Until next week, when they (who are the subset of us that are currently demanding reparations) declare that last week's agreement did not go far enough and demand more.

But this will be acknowledged and clearly stated by those setting the terms of the reparations. They will write the amendment to say, "this is what we have decided is fair and this is where it ends. We have studied this closely and believe that anyone asking for more is trying to unfairly abuse the system." And most importantly, they will honestly mean those words.

Flying Fancy wrote:

third generation American wrote:

Until next week, when they (who are the subset of us that are currently demanding reparations) declare that last week's agreement did not go far enough and demand more.

But this will be acknowledged and clearly stated by those setting the terms of the reparations. They will write the amendment to say, "this is what we have decided is fair and this is where it ends. We have studied this closely and believe that anyone asking for more is trying to unfairly abuse the system." And most importantly, they will honestly mean those words.

You don't understand, the Republicans in the house watered down the agreement.

[quote]Just don't bill me. wrote:

UN demand US pay reparations for blacks./quote]

The UN does not demand and has not demanded that the US pay reparations for blacks.

That makes you a liar.

That is all one needs to know.

third generation American wrote:

Flying Fancy wrote:

But this will be acknowledged and clearly stated by those setting the terms of the reparations. They will write the amendment to say, "this is what we have decided is fair and this is where it ends. We have studied this closely and believe that anyone asking for more is trying to unfairly abuse the system." And most importantly, they will honestly mean those words.

You don't understand, the Republicans in the house watered down the agreement.

No, they weren't even given a chance to see the demands until they were finished.

Think of it this way: It is like a court settlement. The USA admits guilt, but you cannot lock up innocent Americans for the faults of a small percentage of their ancestors, that doesn't even make sense and achieves nothing, so we settle. But instead of having the lawyers work it out, we just let one side write the deal. No holds barred. But both parties understand that once signed, the deal is done.

Listen, I get your point. But there must be a way to move forward. This isn't white republicans setting the terms. This is the Black Leadership setting the terms. No one else has a part in it other than the tax payers who actually pay the reparations.

At a certain point, there needs to be an end. We need to make it right and the book needs to be closed. The only way to truly do that is to let the African-American leadership call the shots and close the book themselves.

If anyone can tell me why that is unfair to the African-American slave descendants, please pipe in and let me know.

Who are you to say what we agreed upon, I know what we asked for and the Republicans in the house watered it down!

They pulled the old switcheroo on us. Stop defending them, Teabagger!