GIVE THOSE 5th AVE GUYS CREDIT!!

Don't know if you saw the lead article or not today but I totally agree with everything you said. I hate it when people try to stomp on everyone's buzz. Too much negative around. Outside of the Olympics, for me, this was one of the best races of the race of the year and def the most exciting 1500/mile race of 2016 (outside of Centro's gold of course).

So I'm thinking a couple seconds fast. That's about right where all these guys land on a track. Still lightening quick! For me, the competitiveness was the most entertaining aspect of the whole thing. Outstanding!

Theyd a been all over 4 on a track

Yes, that second quarter uphill does take a bit out of you.

You crest the hill after the halfway point.

The steady downhill to the finish is nice but getting over the hump makes it hard to leave reserves for the finish.

Star wrote:

Yes, that second quarter uphill does take a bit out of you.

You crest the hill after the halfway point.

The steady downhill to the finish is nice but getting over the hump makes it hard to leave reserves for the finish.

I have run this course competitively. The incline in the second 440 doesn't seem too bad at the moment but it becomes apparent about a minute after you crest the hill that it took a lot out of you.

I never thought the few feet you declined over the mile helped you as much as that uphill quarter took out of you. To run 3:49 on that course, you have to be strong. These guys worked the hill and still had enough to have super fast finishes. Testimony to their fitness and talent level.

What kind of 800m and 400m speed does Jenkins have? He just seems like a guy that could never break 1:50 lol. Obviously he can. And for the 400m, how could he run faster than 50? Yet his mile time was sick.

swaglord wrote:

What kind of 800m and 400m speed does Jenkins have? He just seems like a guy that could never break 1:50 lol. Obviously he can. And for the 400m, how could he run faster than 50? Yet his mile time was sick.

You raise good points. But common sense says we know Centro can run 1:44, Murphy can run 1:42, all the other guys around (behind) him are at least 1:47 guys. He not only beat them all but he smoked them all with his kick. So logic would have it that he can run at minimum a 1:48. With his monster strength, 1:48 would make him very competitive with our top milers.

If Galen, who never broke 1:50 and didn't have a decent kick for most of his college career, can run 3:50i, than Jenkins, who always has wheels at the end and is in 13:00 shape can run 3:49 with Murphy and BB rabbiting through 1:53. Times are legit, even a little slow IMO. No curves (which leads to less tactical, more balls-out), but also they are running in flats on pavement, not Monaco Mondo!

Jenny Simpson beat Muir running the equivalent of 3:59, they both have run consistently faster than that in the DL.

Headwind Moses wrote:

If Galen, who never broke 1:50 and didn't have a decent kick for most of his college career, can run 3:50i, than Jenkins, who always has wheels at the end and is in 13:00 shape can run 3:49 with Murphy and BB rabbiting through 1:53. Times are legit, even a little slow IMO. No curves (which leads to less tactical, more balls-out), but also they are running in flats on pavement, not Monaco Mondo!

Jenny Simpson beat Muir running the equivalent of 3:59, they both have run consistently faster than that in the DL.

I don't know why anyone would question the legitimacy of these efforts. Especially given the fast pace from the gun, the quality of the athletes and the importance of the event (the most prestigious road mile in the world).

When you have the top milers going at it tooth and nail and big prize money on the line, this is what you get.

Ease on down the road wrote:

[quote]Headwind Moses wrote:

If Galen, who never broke 1:50 and didn't have a decent kick for most of his college career, can run 3:50i, than Jenkins, who always has wheels at the end and is in 13:00 shape can run 3:49 with Murphy and BB rabbiting through 1:53. Times are legit, even a little slow IMO. No curves (which leads to less tactical, more balls-out), but also they are running in flats on pavement, not Monaco Mondo!

Jenny Simpson beat Muir running the equivalent of 3:59, they both have run consistently faster than that in the DL.

I don't know why anyone would question the legitimacy of these efforts. Especially given the fast pace from the gun, the quality of the athletes and the importance of the event (the most prestigious road mile in the world).

When you have the top milers going at it tooth and nail and big prize money on the line, this is what you get.[/quote)

We all want fast races then when it happens, out of the woodwork come those who cry that the times weren't legit. Either cuz of drugs or the brojos calling too fast of a course. These guys smoked. Case closed.

Give 'em credit wrote:

The wind was a side wind according to the weather report at that hour(ENE).

I was there and ran on Saturday (not with the pros). First, nyc streets run along a diagonal, roughly NNE/SSW. The wind was almost directly from behind. You could feel it. IT was gusting. I definitely felt a head wind at one point too though, but just a second or so.

That is true. We want to see fast races and times but when it happens we can't just enjoy it. There is no reason to cry foul on 5th ave. No one is saying that we should add these times to the end of the year list in T&F News. We all get that it was a ROAD mile. But as road miles go, it was a face for the ages!

also wind in nyc is funneled down the streets because of the buildings. big wind tunnel effect.

Keep on wrote:

That is true. We want to see fast races and times but when it happens we can't just enjoy it. There is no reason to cry foul on 5th ave. No one is saying that we should add these times to the end of the year list in T&F News. We all get that it was a ROAD mile. But as road miles go, it was a face for the ages!

A face for the ages?

A race for the ages.

An ace for the fages.

I ran it. There was a wind to our backs much of the way. Sometimes you could feel it. At the start tho it was actually in our face during the first part of quarter one. Then when you factor in the hill, I'm not too sure the wind played more than a minor role in the fast times.

John Walker

Ray Flynn

Eamonn Coghlan

Bernard Lagat

Alan Webb

Frank O'Mara

Jose Luis Gonzales

Mike Boit

Tom Byers

Peter Elliot

Nick Willis

And dozens and dozens of other ALL-TIME GREATS...

Have not run the 5th Ave course faster than the trio of Jenkins, Centro and Alexander did Saturday.

Nuff said.