Men: why are promiscuous women considered undesirable?

SmallBoobMan wrote:

She had a lot fo experiences with a lot of different guys. She has decided she wants to be with you, and only you. That should be a compliment. But lots of male posters here seem to interpret this as a sign she....is not telling the truth? Where does this irrational fear come from?

It's not irrational at all. A woman who has slutted around with lots of other guys will do so again in the future, whether it means cheating or breaking up. It is common sense. A slut is repulsive (as long term relationship material) just like a fat or ugly person, you're not going to convince most men otherwise.

SmallBoobMan wrote:

Star wrote:

It was bad because people will often rent a new sports car but by a used one to save money.

People are 50/50 on buying used vs new for a sports car.

How about this:

Women are like bowling shoes.

You'll rent oft worn bowling shoes when you are playing just for fun but when you are serious about bowling you will buy a brand new pair.

So you think you should marry a virgin?

A person or two may have tried on the new shoes before you bought them.

We Don't Hate Sluts; We Just Recognize Their Low Value

Introduction

One of the common criticisms of the Red Pill philosophy is the supposed contradiction that results from our simultaneous disdain for sluts but willingness to still have sex with them. This "contradiction" is false, and the result of failure to understand what's really going on.

What is a slut?

A slut is commonly defined as a woman who has too many sexual partners. However, this is a superficial perspective. What really makes a slut so despised is their disregard for their own inherent value, and the fact that they give it away so freely.

Women are the gatekeepers of sex, something inherently valuable to men. Men have built and destroyed great empires and many lives in pursuit of the sexual pleasures of beautiful women. We assign (often foolishly) great value to sex. We view it as something worthy of conquest, of effort, and acknowledge that women have the right to withhold it for only the men that have proved themselves as deserving of it.

In this sense, we view sex as a marker of merit. A man who has ample sexual access to beautiful women, whether he's amassed great wealth, chiseled his body into a physical masterpiece, or simply honed his linguistic and social skills to their peak, has clearly done something to deserve the bounty of sex he reaps.

A slut, however, disregards all of this. We expect a woman to evaluate men carefully and be discriminating in her choice of sexual company. Instead, a slut gives that value freely to many different men based on fickle "feelz" and fleeting emotions. In doing so, her sex becomes less valuable because it's given so freely. Why would we work hard for something that's given away easily to so many?

What about men?

This is where it get interesting. Women, because they're the gatekeepers of sex, don't value it as highly as we do. Instead, they place the most value on commitment, the one thing men have control of. This makes the the White Knight, the FriendZoned, the Nice Guy, the male equivalent of the slut. Why? Because this guy comes to her aid, offers valiant defense, resources, and his protection based solely on the fact she's a woman and has a vagina.

Deep down, women inherently know that they have to earn a good man's commitment by being feminine and f**king his brains out to the point he can't get enough and wants to commit on his own accord. Just as men want to be the one that bagged that tight ass and perky tits, women want to be the one that bagged the high-quality guy. It's why, in the beginning of the relationship, the sex is plentiful, naughty, and things like breakfast in bed are common, as the woman is putting in effort to earn that commitment. In contrast, the White Knight/Nice Guy offers all of the commitment, without making the woman prove herself first as a quality woman. In doing so, he reveals that his commitment is of little value since, surprise, it's given so freely to any woman that walks by.

Nobody Respects a Slut!

Unsurprisingly, women get very upset by the manner in which men treat sluts while remaining oblivious to the fact they treat White Knights/Nice Guys with the same disregard and disdain. How many times have you heard a woman talk about how a guy was just "too nice" or "too good a friend" to have sex with? If, like Neo, you can see the code, you realize what she's really saying is, "He's too emotionally easy, and I don't respect or value his commitment because of it." It's quite literally the same thought process as a man who says, "She's a great bang, but she's not girlfriend material." As men, we don't hate sluts; we simply recognize their offering as low-quality and low value, and unworthy of commitment. We use them for the easy sex that they are, just as women use the Nice Guys as emotional tampons and ATMs for free drinks.

The irony is women understand this, even if it's on a subconscious, almost biological level. It's why they never date the Nice Guys until their physical currency begins to wane. It's why they get so upset when they're pumped and dumped or called sluts, as they recognize they're being accurately identified as being disposable and of low value to high-quality men. It's also why women are the first to call each other "sluts," as they know it cuts deeply. It's why women hate prostitution; if men can simply pay for sex, the whole girlfriend package is less appealing and women that offer it less valuable. It's competition, but at the price point they can't match.

In contrast, "slut walks" and "feminist empowerment" are the social equivalent of unions, essentially trying to lower the standards bar while raising the asking price simultaneously. If the value of slutty women is artificially raised, girls won't have to try so hard to be feminine, charming, actually got to the gym to maintain an attractive figure.

Lessons Learned

* Both men and women value most what the opposite controls, and all sexual interaction that follows is essentially a power struggle.

Like in economics, value is determined by scarcity.

* A slut will go have sex with dozens of men, then try to make the next man "wait" because she's "not like that anymore."

* By having sex with so many men, she's devalued her brand equity and made her offering low-quality.

* Attempting to make the next man then wait and "earn" that sexual reward she gave so easily to other men is charging premium prices for what is now a bargain good.

* Women are physical sluts; men are emotional sluts.

Women treat emotional sluts with the same disdain that we treat physical sluts. If men are hypocrites for pumping and dumping sluts, then women are the same for using and abusing Nice Guys.

Don't be a slut, and understand your own value.

NottaPrude wrote:

Have fun with your missionary style in the dark under the sheets once a mo. sex life.

Have fun with your broken-heartedness, STDs, divorces, child-custody battles, kids born out-of-wedlock, kids raised without both biological parents, abortions.

If there is a better predictor of the likelihood to divorce than the number of sexual partners prior to marriage, I would like to know what it is. (Besides the number of sexual partners following marriage.)

joedirt wrote:

An elementary level understanding of statistics will help you understand that a woman who has been with a lot of dudes, has an STD (there are a number of STDs that condoms do not prevent and for the current generation they are looking at 1 in 3 with herpes, and about 1 in 2 with HPV). The religious aversion to sex outside of marriage (and the whole institution of marriage itself) is based upon thousands of years of human experience dealing with disease, orphaned children, etc. The only "progress" we have made as a society is epidemic levels of STDs (50 years ago the only STDs they taught about were Chlamydia, Gonorrhea and Syphilis, now there about 50 STIs) and record levels of children born outside of wedlock.

+1.

This "aversion" is common to many cultures and religions, including the non-Christian, non-Muslim, parts of Asia.

madmandoc wrote:

They aren't, as long as all you want is sex. But you might want a quality relationship, someone who makes you feel loved and supported, someone for the long term, a marriage that doesn't end with her taking half your stuff and leaving, or a mother of your children. Why would a promiscuous woman be suitable for these roles?

Would a promiscuous man be suitable?

Red Pill Giver wrote:

It's not irrational at all. A woman who has slutted around with lots of other guys will do so again in the future, whether it means cheating or breaking up. It is common sense.

Except it's not common sense and it's not true. Your insecurity is your issue and you should work on that. See a therapist. Learn to accept that even with your tiny dick you can find a woman who loves you.

There's actually some good stuff in the above Red Pill post. I think there's some truth to it. However, I think the physical and emotional power works in both ways for both sexes.

This thread topic is something I have personal experience with, and it's something I have thought about a lot. I completely respect people who are able to say "the past is the past, who cares?", but I personally have put a lot of heart and soul into my physical and emotional relationship choices over the years. I have certainly fallen short of my ideals at times, but for the most part, I have placed a high value on my love and my intimacy, which is part of the reason I am still unmarried at 30. It's true that people change and we all have different phases of life, but the choices we make do matter in the future.

Books and articles have suggested than humans are hardwired for promiscuity, but I have also seen convincing scientific proposals that suggest we are hardwired for monogamy, and the reason some scientists believe this is JEALOUSY. Yes, we are wired for jealousy, and if someone pushes the envelop too much when they are young and single, then it's true that there won't be much left to give to the spouse and the value of the love and intimacy has *arguably* gone down.

People look at it in different ways. My cousin is very much a "monogamy is probably not good for us," free love kind of guy who I know doesn't judge his partners' pasts and expects not to be judged for his own. I, on the other hand, am more of a "you judge my past and I'll judge yours" and hopefully we can both feel good about the choices we have made and will find that we have no real reason to be jealous because we have both made appropriate choices and have found something even better with each other. That's the dream, anyway.

LOVE promiscuous women-- as many as possible!

Just because ** you ** couldn't get laid and have little carnal curiousity, skills doesn't mean you should impugn those who DO.

well,. wrote:

madmandoc wrote:

They aren't, as long as all you want is sex. But you might want a quality relationship, someone who makes you feel loved and supported, someone for the long term, a marriage that doesn't end with her taking half your stuff and leaving, or a mother of your children. Why would a promiscuous woman be suitable for these roles?

Would a promiscuous man be suitable?

Many women seem to think so.

Some think this is a double standard, but it isn't - men and women value different things and place different standards on each other. Nothing wrong with that.

she'll get fat wrote:

Red Pill Giver wrote:

It's not irrational at all. A woman who has slutted around with lots of other guys will do so again in the future, whether it means cheating or breaking up. It is common sense.

Except it's not common sense and it's not true. Your insecurity is your issue and you should work on that. See a therapist. Learn to accept that even with your tiny dick you can find a woman who loves you.

You're right, I am very insecure, too insecure to marry a woman who is ugly, crazy, or slutty. I had to select a high value woman to be my wife because of my insecurities. If you are secure enough to marry the stripper or the slut that the whole neighborhood has banged then great for you, LOL.

A woman who sleeps around is most likely has a high sex drive

the probability of her cheating on you is higher than ur average female

if u r not keeping up with her in the bedroom u rest assured someone else is

Also, there is somewhat of a double standard but men can certainly be judged and rejected for having extensive/reckless sexual histories as well - believe me.

In my last relationship, my girlfriend was the promiscuous one, but in my current one, my history was far longer than hers. It's all relative.

There was that other thread about the article about average number of sexual partners. I think most people said they had had sex with seven and that 13-14 would be "too many." That was an average. On OkCupid, one of the question is "does 14 sexual partners sound like a lot, not that many, or about right?" For people who have had sex with 0, 1, or 2 people, 14 might seem completely insane. But for some people, 14 is nothing.

tony the tiger wrote:

A woman who sleeps around is most likely has a high sex drive

the probability of her cheating on you is higher than ur average female

That or she has little self worth. Either way, not good if a long marriage is what you desire.

tony the tiger wrote:

if u r not keeping up with her in the bedroom u rest assured someone else is

This does not matter. In extreme cases a woman might stray if you can't keep up, but keeping up will not stop her from cheating.

You are rite , keepin up with her in the bedroom mite not even keep her from cheating but if she a decent woman that fact that u r sexually satisfying her mite deter her 4rm fukin around on ya

I've never considered a high sex drive a negative... I mean, there are thousands of page threads about women who don't want to have sex anymore, but having a high sex drive is also a problem?

I think the problems come only when sex drives are mismatched between partners.

Intergalactic wrote:I've never considered a high sex drive a negative... I mean, there are thousands of page threads about women who don't want to have sex anymore, but having a high sex drive is also a problem? I think the problems come only when sex drives are mismatched between partners.

Having two people with high sex drives can make for a great year or two, but more often than not our programmed desire for variety eventually takes over.

I don't care how pretty a porn star looks, her coochie is no good. It has been stretched, widened, and beat up by a bunch of dudes on camera. There are just too many women out here with low mileage coochies.

Star wrote:

That used/new car analogy was terrible.

No it isn't. A used car is like a used up woman as both will leave a stain in your driveway if parked there for a few minutes.

Break out the Speedy Dry..... Suzy is coming over !!