Stop saying they lost to men. They lost to women. CAS would not have ruled as they did if they were men. Just let it go that women who don't fit the beauty stereotypes are winning. Or better yet, congratulate them.
Stop saying they lost to men. They lost to women. CAS would not have ruled as they did if they were men. Just let it go that women who don't fit the beauty stereotypes are winning. Or better yet, congratulate them.
yesssum wrote:
Yftygttyggtygtyytgygt wrote:But the point is that Caster, Wambui... Do not use PED. Caster is probably a 1:50 runner (so there is no way that she was losing), but the other 2 are not very athletically gifted. It was an easy race this year (or at least not as hard as most Olympics). Sharp should be thanking the federation for their actions.
Your argument doesn't make any sense. She is upset because she had to race against men, whereas if it had just been a women's race she would have medaled. Doesn't matter how faster other years were, she didn't run this race in other years. She ran this race at this olympics against men who impeded her and two other athletes from getting to receive the medals they won, not to mention the honor, money, fame, etc that they should be getting right now.
The point here is that this 800m was probably the first PED free 800m since before the 1970s. That's quite an accomplishment on the part of the federations.
There are only a few intersex women on the planet. A lot of them do not have any athletic ability (think about the India intersex girl or even Wambui who spends all her energy pressing really hard on the track instead of gaining forward momentum). So the problem is not as big with intersex.
Bishop and Sharp came so close to a medal because there were no PED athletes this year. Of course, it would have been even easier for them had there not been PED athletes AND no Intersex.
But if you have to choose between one and the other, you should take intersex every single time.
Thank you.
The women's 800m is weak right now. 1:54 should be attainable by biological females based upon performances by women over 400m and 1500m.
Not a single woman broke two minutes in the 800m before 1971.
Then, suddenly, the world record plunged to 1:53 by 1983.
Gee, I wonder why that is?
Justice4caster wrote:
Stop saying they lost to men. They lost to women. CAS would not have ruled as they did if they were men. Just let it go that women who don't fit the beauty stereotypes are winning. Or better yet, congratulate them.
Stop pedalling mistruths. CAS haven't finished ruling yet. They are studying the evidence of testosterone on performance.
You have to conclude:
(1) Semenya is smart enough not to go flat out and break the womens' world record because (a) it would it even more obvious Semenya is not biologically female and/or for being male and (b) then people would simply say Semenya should start racing the men and bring her times down by training harder.
(2) Kratochvilova was probably a far better athlete than Semenya as doping women on testosterone only leads to about twice as much testosterone as a non-testosterone doped woman, wherease Semenya and possibly Niyonsaba and Wambui had 7 - 9 times as much.
(3) The 4th, 5th and 6th women are obviously better athletes to get so close to Semenya, Niyonsaba and Wambui on "normal" female testosterone levels, and hypothetically if they did dope to even twice their normal level, they would be beating them by 4 or 5 seconds.
(4) The men's marathon, 5000m, 10000m and 1500m were also "surprisingly slow". Why is someone who can't run fast times in the 5000m and 10000m winning double Olympic gold?
Not XY wrote:
Semenya is smart enough not to go flat out and break the womens' world record because (a) it would it even more obvious Semenya is not biologically female and/or for being male and (b) then people would simply say Semenya should start racing the men and bring her times down by training harder.
When I was watching the 800, I told my wife that Caster could easily shatter the world record if she wanted to. My wife then asjed "then why doesn't she?"
I think you provided the perfect answer.
Sub 1:50 is not out of the question here.
Why are people saying that niyonsaba is a man??? Semenya and Wambui stand out as very masculine but Niyonsaba doesn't. Just because she isn't as pretty and feminine as Bishop doesn't mean she is intersex.
Not XY wrote:
The 4th, 5th and 6th women are obviously better athletes to get so close to Semenya, Niyonsaba and Wambui on "normal" female testosterone levels, and hypothetically if they did dope to even twice their normal level, they would be beating them by 4 or 5 seconds.
Adding the usual 10% to their men times, would give them about 2:06 to 2:08 times for women, which is not competitive in the least.
Neither are their 1:55 to 1:57 times competitive with men running 1:42 for 800m.
These men, only called intersex because they're running in women's events and therefore are monsters, are not athletically talented enough to run competitively in national or international events, not any more than the average fan in the stands.
The 3 men in the women's 800m put themselves on exhibition as an example of a strange deviation from nature, thus they choose to put themselves on exhibition as freaks, as monsters, who ran in the women's 800m as a strange deviation from the natural course of events.
Freak: person on exhibition as an example of a strange deviation from nature; monster.
Caster, Wambui and Niyonsaba all had PRs in 2014/early 2015 that were well north of 2:00, indicating the effects of testosterone-inhibiting drugs to comply with IAAF standards. After the CAS ruling last summer, all three dropped 8-10 seconds off their 800 times. Probably even greater improvement for Caster as she hasn't run all out, preferring to tempo 1:55s rather than threaten the WR. Caster managed 1:59 in the Beijing WC heats, but went out in the semis at 2:03. Wambui went out in the heats in 2:03, and Niyonsaba didn't qualify. A very different picture than RIo a year later.https://www.google.com/search?q=james+brown&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiz1cL0o9XOAhUD1WMKHSayCSYQ_AUICSgC&biw=1055&bih=496#imgrc=uhD9R9552SxBAM%3Ahttp://img.igihe.com/arton83250.jpg
505 wrote:
Why are people saying that niyonsaba is a man??? Semenya and Wambui stand out as very masculine but Niyonsaba doesn't. Just because she isn't as pretty and feminine as Bishop doesn't mean she is intersex.
Justice4caster wrote:
Stop saying they lost to men. They lost to women. CAS would not have ruled as they did if they were men. Just let it go that women who don't fit the beauty stereotypes are winning. Or better yet, congratulate them.
I have some swamp land for you.
CAS would not have ruled? Its a funded organization. They do whatever is necessary to remain funded.
IN a couple of years this decision will be clarified - as they asked for evidence - and it will be supplied. They will continue to say they are the voice of reason.
No apology will be forthcoming to the ladies who's careers were unfulfilled due to the ":Running With The Balls" era
