300m - 36.9
7:00 rest
200m - 26.4
4:00 rest
100m - 12.3
4:30 rest
100m - 12.6
2:00 rest
60yds (astro turf) - 7.3
3:00 rest
60yds - 7.5
400m race last week was 53.8
I should add that the track I workout on is a lot more solid and less windy than the track I've been racing on. Still, what gives?
jamin wrote:
300m - 36.9
7:00 rest
200m - 26.4
4:00 rest
100m - 12.3
4:30 rest
100m - 12.6
2:00 rest
60yds (astro turf) - 7.3
3:00 rest
60yds - 7.5
400m race last week was 53.8
I should add that the track I workout on is a lot more solid and less windy than the track I've been racing on. Still, what gives?
Trying to break 53 in the 400 is a zero sum game.
Most guys that are coming down in distance to the 400 think that, because they don't have blazing top speed, that they can hold a full sprint for a full 400m. You should think like someone who is coming up from 200m, who would want to conserve energy and surge throughout the race.
Dude, rest that leg. What are you thinking? You need another week off.
injured runner wrote:
Dude, rest that leg. What are you thinking? You need another week off.
Whatever injury I have is strange because it felt fine after taking a week off.
That 200 is too slow to have a chance to break 53 especially if it's hand timed. I ran 25mid at the end of workouts with less recovery when I went sub 53
zero sum game guy wrote:
jamin wrote:300m - 36.9
7:00 rest
200m - 26.4
4:00 rest
100m - 12.3
4:30 rest
100m - 12.6
2:00 rest
60yds (astro turf) - 7.3
3:00 rest
60yds - 7.5
400m race last week was 53.8
I should add that the track I workout on is a lot more solid and less windy than the track I've been racing on. Still, what gives?
Trying to break 53 in the 400 is a zero sum game.
The OP is full of s**t or stupid. ANYONE who can run under 37 in a workout can run at least close to 50 flat in a 400.
I will record my next 400m race for you guys to figure out what's wrong with me as a person
No way in hell you ran a 7.3 60
The real question is how are you running a 26 second 200 and a 36 second 300? Also, take shorter rests
swift, dipshit. i'd say something else 'clever' or 'mean' but you've so long passed the point of self-parody, why bother?
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jamin wrote:
300m - 36.9
7:00 rest
200m - 26.4
4:00 rest
100m - 12.3
4:30 rest
100m - 12.6
2:00 rest
60yds (astro turf) - 7.3
3:00 rest
60yds - 7.5
400m race last week was 53.8
I should add that the track I workout on is a lot more solid and less windy than the track I've been racing on. Still, what gives?
I don't see how you run a legit 36.9 and cannot break 53. These numbers don't match. Getting past that 12.3 and 12.6 is very slow. fly 30s again go to complete track and field or speed endurance they have good programs.
You are a year of good training from 49
Olympic Truth wrote:
I don't see how you run a legit 36.9 and cannot break 53. These numbers don't match. Getting past that 12.3 and 12.6 is very slow. fly 30s again go to complete track and field or speed endurance they have good programs.
unless it was a flying start (the 100's suggest this), but even then a 52mid would be the usual equivalent
I would guess that the 300's are 1-turn and that jamin is slowing down big time on the second turn in 400's, due to the asymmetry I pointed out long ago that he still hasn't fixed. When you let your arms drift clockwise, it drags your upper body to the right of your center of mass, introducing a torque effect that reduces the force applied to forward movement.
dude can code, he ought to know basic physics too. If he ever gets his shit together he will start approaching 1:50.
36.9 = 24.6 through 200m (probably faster in reality)
Then you ran a 200m rep in 26?
I think your struggle to break 53 is based upon the fact that you think you are running times in training (7.3 60y) that you aren't actually running.
A 26 200m is slow.
And to Bad Wiggins:
There is nothing that suggests this runner can approach 1:50. 53 mid for 400m is the kind of time a 1:58 kid might run.
How do you pace your races?
You might try this workout. Break the 400m into two parts. Run them with a 60 second recovery between reps. Run the first rep at 400m race pace and the final rep all out. Examples:
200m in 26.0
60 second recovery
200m all out
250m in (whatever that your 400m race pace works out to)
60 second recovery
150m all out
Run two sets. Full recovery... 15-25 minutes... between sets.
You can split this how you want. 300/100, 200/200, 240/160, etc. Don't use a standing start for the final rep. Hit the line already jogging.
One of my friends, an age group national champion in the 400m, runs this workout often. I run it in the weeks leading up to national championships. He's top 5 in the world and I'm top 20 in the world in our respective age groups in the 400m.
800 is tough wrote:
zero sum game guy wrote:Trying to break 53 in the 400 is a zero sum game.
The OP is full of s**t or stupid. ANYONE who can run under 37 in a workout can run at least close to 50 flat in a 400.
Not if they fall apart in the last 100, because they have not done the specific work to sustain the speed.
agree totally with this post. jerkin, err...jamin, you're pathetic. grow a pair already as you look more desperate every time you post this garbage.
Lenore wrote:
swift, dipshit. i'd say something else 'clever' or 'mean' but you've so long passed the point of self-parody, why bother?
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fred wrote:
800 is tough wrote:The OP is full of s**t or stupid. ANYONE who can run under 37 in a workout can run at least close to 50 flat in a 400.
Not if they fall apart in the last 100, because they have not done the specific work to sustain the speed.
But the key is in a workout. I could muster this time in practice when I was in 49/50 race shape. Maybe ol' Jamin should get his testosterone levels checked.