How can we prove Rotich was doping and wasn't just going for a hilarious prank. Maybe he forgot to turn the page on his calendar and thought it was April 1. We can't know and must assume he is clean.
How can we prove Rotich was doping and wasn't just going for a hilarious prank. Maybe he forgot to turn the page on his calendar and thought it was April 1. We can't know and must assume he is clean.
Look, your coach steals your ID and goes and tries to give a urine test in your name. How is this the athlete's fault? He's lucky it wasn't some Brazilian mugger who swiped the ID, who likely would test positive for recreationals.
Because it is the guys' coach, not some random person. It is an obvious indicator of malfeasance by the team- coach and athlete
Doping is the most serious offense in our sport. The coach of a clean athlete would not mess around stealing IDs and posing as his athlete if the athlete wasn't doped.
This is not an American court of law. There is no presumption of innocence. No one has a RIGHT to compete. They all must abide by a strict set of rules or they're out. Having your coach pose as you in a doping test dramatically violates that set of rules in my opinion.
Why does track and field have itself handcuffed with rules that state the only way to catch a doper is to catch him with the drugs in his system? We know those drugs are only detectable for a few hours. That's why the biological passport was developed.
Furthermore, why do so many fans apologize for the obviously dirty athlete? This is a clear case of deceit. Of violating standard ethics policies. In my opinion, he's been caught red handed and should no longer be given the privilege of competing in track and field.
Yes actively evading a drug test is ground for banning.
Athletics Kenya needs to recall him as well.
Maybe the Kenyan coach needs money, and one of Rotich's competitors bribed him to steal the ID and try to pass the doping control. Clever setup.
Devil Dog wrote:
Doping is the most serious offense in our sport. The coach of a clean athlete would not mess around stealing IDs and posing as his athlete if the athlete wasn't doped.
This is not an American court of law. There is no presumption of innocence. No one has a RIGHT to compete. They all must abide by a strict set of rules or they're out. Having your coach pose as you in a doping test dramatically violates that set of rules in my opinion.
Why does track and field have itself handcuffed with rules that state the only way to catch a doper is to catch him with the drugs in his system? We know those drugs are only detectable for a few hours. That's why the biological passport was developed.
Furthermore, why do so many fans apologize for the obviously dirty athlete? This is a clear case of deceit. Of violating standard ethics policies. In my opinion, he's been caught red handed and should no longer be given the privilege of competing in track and field.
This is really not a matter of opinion and track and field (and WADA generally) is not limited to only catching somebody with drugs in his system.
This is a violation.
It is only a matter of the authorities having the balls to impose an appropriate remedy.
Devil Dog wrote:
Flotrack is reporting that Fergusson Rotich's coach was banished from Rio after posing as Rotich in a drug test at the games.
So we obviously now know beyond a reasonable doubt that he's a doper. Why not ban him on the spot?
I just rewatched the Stockholm Diamond League where Rotich beats Rudisha. I've seen some posters here say that they can tell a doper by his form in the late stages of the race, almost "muscling through". I think that's sort of BS. On the other hand, you'll notice that Rotich does appear to be using more of his upper body and arms in his kick, which Rudisha and Bosse seemed way too gassed to do at that point. Or maybe he's just better.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
Yes actively evading a drug test is ground for banning.
Athletics Kenya needs to recall him as well.
So, will Boris Berian pull a "Lilly King" on him?
Well?
messi wrote:
Mr. Obvious wrote:Yes actively evading a drug test is ground for banning.
Athletics Kenya needs to recall him as well.
So, will Boris Berian pull a "Lilly King" on him?
Well?
Any athlete who wants to should speak out.
Tell the IOC that if they won't work for a clean sport the athletes will.
Having your coach pose as you in a doping test dramatically violates that set of rules in my opinion.
If it were a proven fact, that Rotich instigated or at least knew about this scheme, then anyone would agree this is obviously an anti-doping violation.
But as of yet, there's zero evidence that the coach wasn't just a rogue actor.
BonQuenQuen wrote:
Because it is the guys' coach, not some random person. It is an obvious indicator of malfeasance by the team- coach and athlete
Your fancy words won't fix your grammar or your lack of ability to understand a joke. :)
If I go pretend to be Usain Bolt at a doping control, can I get him DQ'd too?
Maybe I should give a campaign speech pretending to be Hillary Clinton and see if she gets jailed on charges of impersonation and fraud.
I have question. How much coach look like athlete?
Spasibo!
If he gets banned, and he should, I'll have to change my 800m picks for the prediction contest. Fewer top competitors should improve my odds of scoring points.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/37053928Devil Dog wrote:
Flotrack is reporting that Fergusson Rotich's coach was banished from Rio after posing as Rotich in a drug test at the games.
So we obviously now know beyond a reasonable doubt that he's a doper. Why not ban him on the spot?
According to this story, the coach was just using Rotich's credentials to get free meals at the athlete's village.
Pretending to be myself wrote:
Having your coach pose as you in a doping test dramatically violates that set of rules in my opinion.If it were a proven fact, that Rotich instigated or at least knew about this scheme, then anyone would agree this is obviously an anti-doping violation.
But as of yet, there's zero evidence that the coach wasn't just a rogue actor.
Is there one good reason why the coach would be going rogue?
When I was in the military, if any guest of mine on post committed a crime, I'd be held responsible. The coach is the athlete's guest.
I. M. Moshennikov wrote:
I have question. How much coach look like athlete?
Spasibo!
Well they are both black...so identical, basically.
Kenya needs to pull the athlete in order to maintain any credibility about doping.
Plausible Deniability wrote:
If I go pretend to be Usain Bolt at a doping control, can I get him DQ'd too?
Maybe I should give a campaign speech pretending to be Hillary Clinton and see if she gets jailed on charges of impersonation and fraud.
I'm not good at those Latin argument fallacies, but this is clearly one of them. Not even kind of a similar situation.