Alcohol consumption stats in U.S

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7 years ago 07/22/2016 9:17am EDT

re: so very wrong

so very wrong wrote:
duuuuudeeee wrote:
when did i say that all alcoholics are college-aged kids? i said that frat bros are more than just guys having fun once a week. They are freaking alcoholics.
You have absolutely no clue what alcoholism looks like. It's not a f*cking party.
Alcoholism is my grandfather who used to get increasingly agitated as the evening wore on and his bottle of Jack slowly drained. He'd rant and pound the table (luckily, never actually hit anyone in the family, as far as I know, which is a good thing; he was a semipro boxer back in the day). Eventually he'd pass out and piss himself. Every f*cking night.
Alcoholism is the homeless guy who used to sleep under the stairs of the crappy apartment my girlfriend and I rented after college. He'd hang out there and sip Listerine because he couldn't afford real booze. We offered him food a few times and he told us to f*ck off and buy him a bottle. We did not. He came and went for several months, looking worse each time, and then disappeared for good.
Not even remotely accurate to compare a frat guy drinking recreationally to real alcoholism, which is an incredibly messed up situation that takes years to develop.

you mad bro?

7 years ago 07/22/2016 9:22am EDT

re: you mad bro?

you mad bro? wrote:
you mad bro?

No, just sad.

7 years ago 07/22/2016 9:27am EDT

re: fisky

fisky wrote:
No way this is real. Here's an article that quotes the Washington Post article AND Phillip J. Cook, the author of the book who came up with the data quoted in the Washington Post article.
http://vinepair.com/booze-news/10-americans-consume-10-drinks-per-day-no/
In short, the article points out that Cook, in footnotes to his book, says...
"[Cook] used data from 2001-2002 from NESARC, the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, which had a representative sample of 43,093 adults over the age of 18. But following this footnote, we find that Cook corrected these data for under-reporting by multiplying the number of drinks each respondent claimed they had drunk by 1.97 in order to comport with the previous yearâ€™s sales data for alcohol in the US. Why? It turns out that alcohol sales in the US in 2000 were double what NESARCâ€™s respondentsâ€”a nationally representative sample, rememberâ€”claimed to have drunk."
So, Cook doubles reported consumption to make reported consumption equal actual sales consumption. Thus, people who reported taking 5 drinks/day were doubled to 10.
This is Cook's assumption, but it's not a good assumption. It's far more likely that many in the 50% who reported not drinking at all or drinking very seldom were occasional drinkers.
For example, I grew up Baptist and Baptists don't drink... except, oh wait, some of them do, but they're not going to admit to it in a survey!
It would be an interesting math problem to calculate how much these teetotalers would have to drink to come up with the actual consumption reported by sales.

Not to mention, not all the alcohol that's purchased is ultimately drank. I know whenever I have a party/BBQ/guests over, I buy beer. I make sure to buy enough so that I don't run out. Depending on how the night goes, a fair amount of it may be left over. I'm not really a drinker, so I offer them up, and some of them ultimately go down the drain once they get skunky.

Plus, think of all the other waste there is from unfinished kegs, spills, unfinished cans, etc. To assume every drop needs to be accounted for is silly.

7 years ago 07/22/2016 9:30am EDT

re: Yikes..

Yikes.. wrote:
some of them ultimately go down the drain once they get skunky.

Stop putting it out in the sun and it won't skunk. That's caused by UV.

7 years ago 07/22/2016 10:21am EDT

re: NoWayThisisReal

It's hard to create a crisis if you use real numbers. (Just like the campus rape "crisis".)

Nothing to see here but manufactured BS.

7 years ago 07/22/2016 12:03pm EDT

re: serious q

serious q wrote:
runrincerepeat wrote:
i drink about 42-48 beers a week .. its way to much but hey i like to eat clean and drink dirty
Are you able to run decently well while maintaining that?
I average about 2 beers a night, which is no problem. I usually stick to "session" beers, at about 5% ABV. There are some really good session IPAs on the market now. But if I go much above that or upgrade to double IPAs or similar, I feel like garbage the next day and it definitely impacts my workouts.

That's exactly what I drink too. 1-3 beers almost every night. I can sometimes feel 3 beers the day after and I think it affects my running a little bit. If I drink 4 beers I get a hang-over. But that's because I very rarely drink more than 3 beers. Around Christmas/New Year I can easily get used to drinking more without getting a hangover. So I guess I have a good "base" and that I'm able to peak when society demands it.

7 years ago 07/22/2016 12:16pm EDT

re: Monkeys typing

Monkeys typing wrote:
MakeAmericaGreat wrote:
Amen
Close to 10,000 U.S. motor vehicle deaths annually are attributed to alcohol-impaired drivers.

Versus 139 Americans killed by Islamic terrorists in the last 15 years since 9/11.

10,000/year versus 10/year. 3 orders of magnitude difference.

7 years ago 07/22/2016 12:32pm EDT

re: foo

foo wrote:
Monkeys typing wrote:
Close to 10,000 U.S. motor vehicle deaths annually are attributed to alcohol-impaired drivers.
Versus 139 Americans killed by Islamic terrorists in the last 15 years since 9/11.
10,000/year versus 10/year. 3 orders of magnitude difference.

Agreed that Muslims kill less AMERICANS than even the Police.

But Muslims slaughtered 1.5 million Armenians not so long ago. And they've been ruining the world since the 1460s.

Luckily we live in America where we are in a bubble and the world doesn't matter to us...

7 years ago 07/22/2016 1:00pm EDT

re: daily drinker

Since I cleaned up my diet and dont eat meat or dairy ( i do eat eggs) and no refined foods ie white sugar flour etc ... I just cant get a hangover unless I drink 12 beers or more...I can drink 6-8 beers get up at 5 and run no problem.. or a run/bike/lift workout

7 years ago 07/22/2016 1:03pm EDT

re: runrincerepeat

runrincerepeat wrote:
Since I cleaned up my diet and dont eat meat or dairy ( i do eat eggs) and no refined foods ie white sugar flour etc ... I just cant get a hangover unless I drink 12 beers or more...I can drink 6-8 beers get up at 5 and run no problem.. or a run/bike/lift workout

Utter nonsense. Eating meat or dairy has no effect on your hangover or lack of one.

Hangovers are not caused by these things nor are they affected by these things.

7 years ago 07/22/2016 4:02pm EDT

re: Country Roads

Country Roads wrote:
(boring details about the Whiskey rebellion)
Bad Wigins wrote:
Appalachia is a relic of colonial times when the average person 14 or older had 7 drinks a day. Average, not 1 in 10.
They rebelled against George Washington to keep their whiskey. They invented NASCAR to transport their whiskey. Whiskey is woven into their destiny.

Yeah, well it was about whiskey, and they didn't take no shit from George, that's the important thing.

7 years ago 07/22/2016 4:24pm EDT

re: VerminMeat

VerminMeat wrote:
runrincerepeat wrote:
Since I cleaned up my diet and dont eat meat or dairy ( i do eat eggs) and no refined foods ie white sugar flour etc ... I just cant get a hangover unless I drink 12 beers or more...I can drink 6-8 beers get up at 5 and run no problem.. or a run/bike/lift workout
Utter nonsense. Eating meat or dairy has no effect on your hangover or lack of one.
Hangovers are not caused by these things nor are they affected by these things.

Not eating meat or diary leads to depression and alcoholism. Alcoholics don't get hangovers.

7 years ago 07/22/2016 5:10pm EDT

re: runrincerepeat

Better to be an alcoholic than an ISIS supporter.

Alcoholic never killed more than a handful at a time.

7 years ago 07/25/2016 7:27pm EDT

re: Gvl

Gvl wrote:
Better to be an alcoholic than an ISIS supporter.
Alcoholic never killed more than a handful at a time.

Not true. #WWII

7 years ago 07/25/2016 8:51pm EDT

re: WhatTheH*ck

Best be trolling the nearest Walmart for a 36 pack of bud light

7 years ago 07/25/2016 11:23pm EDT

re: runrincerepeat

runrincerepeat wrote:
Since I cleaned up my diet and dont eat meat or dairy ( i do eat eggs) and no refined foods ie white sugar flour etc ... I just cant get a hangover unless I drink 12 beers or more...I can drink 6-8 beers get up at 5 and run no problem.. or a run/bike/lift workout

That's hilarious. You stopped eating meat and became and alcoholic. So healthy.

7 years ago 07/25/2016 11:36pm EDT

re: so very wrong

so very wrong wrote:
duuuuudeeee wrote:
when did i say that all alcoholics are college-aged kids? i said that frat bros are more than just guys having fun once a week. They are freaking alcoholics.
You have absolutely no clue what alcoholism looks like. It's not a f*cking party.
Alcoholism is my grandfather who used to get increasingly agitated as the evening wore on and his bottle of Jack slowly drained. He'd rant and pound the table (luckily, never actually hit anyone in the family, as far as I know, which is a good thing; he was a semipro boxer back in the day). Eventually he'd pass out and piss himself. Every f*cking night.
Alcoholism is the homeless guy who used to sleep under the stairs of the crappy apartment my girlfriend and I rented after college. He'd hang out there and sip Listerine because he couldn't afford real booze. We offered him food a few times and he told us to f*ck off and buy him a bottle. We did not. He came and went for several months, looking worse each time, and then disappeared for good.
Not even remotely accurate to compare a frat guy drinking recreationally to real alcoholism, which is an incredibly messed up situation that takes years to develop.

The people you describe sound like alcoholics, for sure. However, lots of frat guys "drinking recreationally" (blacking out on a regular basis) are also alcoholics. Some of them aren't. Some people are able to move on and stop after heavy partying in high school and college while many cannot.

Also, it's not just about how much someone drinks but also how that person drinks and what alcohol does to that person mentally, physically, and spiritually. Two frat guys make drink similar amounts but one guy doesn't think about drinking at all until the next party, whereas the second guy is counting down every minute until he can get drunk again. There's a big difference there, and it's not always apparent on the outside.

7 years ago 07/25/2016 11:54pm EDT

re: Stagger Lee

Stagger Lee wrote:
NoWayThisisReal wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/25/think-you-drink-a-lot-this-chart-will-tell-you/
Do you really believe that 1 in 10 Americans over 18 drink 10 or more alcoholic drinks per day? That seems ridiculous. 1 in 100 I might believe, but 10% seems like too many. Do 1 in 10 people that you know really do this??
I'm surprised it's not more. I live next door to a convenience store in middle America. Hell, I probably average eight myself.

Hence the name "Stagger"

7 years ago 07/26/2016 9:08pm EDT

re: hencethename

Is the average Slovenian an alcoholics then?

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