New NCAA T&F Meet Rules -- Clarification??

Do you have a link to what has been approved?

The intent, I believe, is to eliminate a meet with a legal number of events, but only having single team representation in an event. So, if a meet has 10 events, but three events only have one team represented, in the eyes of the NCAA that competition only has 6 valid events.

I could definitely be wrong.

Doesn't matter. They can always refer to this rule: We can change or modify the rule whenever we see fit. Especially when someone with credentials requests that we do so.

Sounds like Stanford better start to take their "other" invites a little more seriously if they want them to count as a legal meet.

No more field events with only a single stanford athlete in them.

This can't happen. Half of the tracks in the US are measured for "not having a curb". Maybe all tracks surveyed for a rail HAVE to use a rail. But you can't force tracks to use a rail that have already been measured to be longer than 200m to run even longer.

They can't? See my previous post.

PDong wrote:

The intent, I believe, is to eliminate a meet with a legal number of events, but only having single team representation in an event. So, if a meet has 10 events, but three events only have one team represented, in the eyes of the NCAA that competition only has 6 valid events.

I could definitely be wrong.

I believe you are right. This rule seems to be pushing the envelope to move away from teams going to 5 different places on the same weekend and running 1-2 athletes at those different locations. It is a push to get back to running "real meet competition" instead of "time trials", a concept that was started many years ago by Sam Bell and Harry Groves, among others. They feared track would end up just being invitational meets with no team scoring and team competition.

portasquatty wrote:

Sounds like Stanford better start to take their "other" invites a little more seriously if they want them to count as a legal meet.

No more field events with only a single stanford athlete in them.

Yes, this should cut down on these sort of super time trial events, maybe.

That meet could still count as a qualifier, but it might not count as a particpating meet to meet sport sponsorship requirements, which are always a concern. It's a tricky view.

PDong wrote:

The intent, I believe, is to eliminate a meet with a legal number of events, but only having single team representation in an event. So, if a meet has 10 events, but three events only have one team represented, in the eyes of the NCAA that competition only has 6 valid events.

I could definitely be wrong.

What about small meets and small schools? I've been at several meets where events like the 10k, steeple, or triple jump only have participants from one school. Does that invalidate the whole meet?

This is an attack on smaller schools by the SEC and Sam Seemes. If this rule went to vote at convention it never would pass.

If a coach takes 3 athletes to Raleigh Relays and run would be regional qualifying times do those times not count because the program didn't have 9 track and 6 field events? This press release is vague and demonstrates the lack of discussion on the implications of this rule.

yoga mats wrote:

This is an attack on smaller schools by the SEC and Sam Seemes. If this rule went to vote at convention it never would pass.

it probably did go to vote. but all the coaches were too busy getting drunk and socializing

The short answer to a few of these things is, I don't know or probably not.

This is an NCAA sport rule, not a governance rule. So, depending on the division, it might not matter.

In D3, 12 athletes have to compete at a meet to make it a valid counter for that team, in terms of sport sponsorship. I don't think that's what this is getting at.

In standard terms, you don't have to have the full national program to make the meet a valid meet.

I think it's simply trying to prevent a small 2-3 team meet from having only one team in an event. If that happens, maybe that event is invalid, and I suppose it could invalidate the meet if there are not enough legal events.

I don't think that they can assert in a meet like the Texas Relays every event needs to have an entry from every school. It's poorly written in that release, but I don't think that's the intent. If it is, everyone's f-ed.

safhdasg wrote:

yoga mats wrote:

This is an attack on smaller schools by the SEC and Sam Seemes. If this rule went to vote at convention it never would pass.

it probably did go to vote. but all the coaches were too busy getting drunk and socializing

This is an NCAA reform, not a USTFCCCA reform. It's been mentioned at convention, but I don't know if it made the floor or not with a lot of discussion. I think we'll be talking about it in December now that this has hit.

Let's get back to some conference dual or three-way meets (not a lot, but a few) and score them.

Score invitationals. Why not?

You will never drum up support never competing and never doing it as a team. I like the uniform rule that everyone wears the same colors / style on the same day.

Track isn't football or basketball and it never will be. Why do we continually talk about creating football-like competition? Most college coaches care about 2 things: conference meets and NCAA qualifying. How many college coaches spend time thinking about our sport? How many college coaches truly concern themselves with the health of our sport? Instead, a few coaches and conferences get together and make blanket rules that don't make much sense for the sport as a whole. You want a better sport? Make the meets more fun.

Jersey Shore wrote:

Track isn't football or basketball and it never will be. Why do we continually talk about creating football-like competition? Most college coaches care about 2 things: conference meets and NCAA qualifying. How many college coaches spend time thinking about our sport? How many college coaches truly concern themselves with the health of our sport? Instead, a few coaches and conferences get together and make blanket rules that don't make much sense for the sport as a whole. You want a better sport? Make the meets more fun.

Make it fun? Score meets.

According to these rules, no. It does not define what the 9 events are. But if it is one of the 9 and there isn't at least two or people in the 10k (one from each school participating) then it does not count.

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PDong wrote:

The intent, I believe, is to eliminate a meet with a legal number of events, but only having single team representation in an event. So, if a meet has 10 events, but three events only have one team represented, in the eyes of the NCAA that competition only has 6 valid events.

I could definitely be wrong.

What about small meets and small schools? I've been at several meets where events like the 10k, steeple, or triple jump only have participants from one school. Does that invalidate the whole meet?