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    • Rodney Dangertrackandfield
      • Noah Lyles HSR 200m 20.09!!!!!!!! 7/9/2016 7:48PM
      • Rodney Dangertrackandfield
      • Unforrtunately he was 4th, but if Merritt chooses not to run, he'll go to Rio!
    • Baby john
      • RE: Noah Lyles HSR 200m 20.09!!!!!!!! 7/9/2016 9:36PM - in reply to Lunchbox
      • Baby john
      • Lunchbox wrote:
        Unreal race. Unbelievable how little coverage he got for that incredible performance.

        Oh well, back to the Devon Allen thread!
        Just terrible the wind was just over the allowable. I think 2.112
    • Sallly V
      • RE: Noah Lyles HSR 200m 20.09!!!!!!!! 7/9/2016 9:38PM - in reply to D W I G H T
      • Sallly V
      • D W I G H T wrote:
        He broke a 31-year old record! This is the most amazing feat I have seen in T&f!!!!
        You don't think that the person who set the record 31 years ago maybe his accomplishment was more remarkable than one set in the modern times today?
    • Hiya folks
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      • RE: Noah Lyles HSR 200m 20.09!!!!!!!! 7/9/2016 10:20PM - in reply to Baby john
      • Hiya folks
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      • Baby john wrote:
        Lunchbox wrote:
        Unreal race. Unbelievable how little coverage he got for that incredible performance.

        Oh well, back to the Devon Allen thread!
        Just terrible the wind was just over the allowable. I think 2.112
        Huh?

        Wind was legal.
    • Montesquieu
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      • RE: Noah Lyles HSR 200m 20.09!!!!!!!! 7/9/2016 11:02PM - in reply to Lunchbox
      • Montesquieu
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      • Two high school runners got fourth and fifth!!! It's bloody amazing--you're right on. The TV commentators brushed it off with the suggestion that they didn't finish higher because they must have been tired. Both ran PRs.
        Lunchbox wrote:
        Unreal race. Unbelievable how little coverage he got for that incredible performance.

        Oh well, back to the Devon Allen thread!
    • Down goes the bolt
      • RE: Noah Lyles HSR 200m 20.09!!!!!!!! 7/9/2016 11:09PM - in reply to Montesquieu
      • Down goes the bolt
      • Montesquieu wrote:
        Two high school runners got fourth and fifth!!! It's bloody amazing--you're right on. The TV commentators brushed it off with the suggestion that they didn't finish higher because they must have been tired. Both ran PRs.
        Lunchbox wrote:
        Unreal race. Unbelievable how little coverage he got for that incredible performance.

        Oh well, back to the Devon Allen thread!
        What was the record and what we're the two high schooler's prs before today?
    • For facts sake!
      • RE: Noah Lyles, American Junior Record 200m 20.09!!!!!!!! 7/9/2016 11:20PM - in reply to Down goes the bolt
      • For facts sake!
      • HSR is still 20.13 since Lyles didn't run this 20.09 in a HS competition, but he did break the American Junior record which was also 20.13

        Before today, Norman's best was a 20.15, so he pretty much matched what he ran at US juniors. Lyles PB coming into the trials was 20.18
    • Sweet Nell Fenwick
      • RE: Noah Lyles HSR 200m 20.09!!!!!!!! 7/9/2016 11:59PM - in reply to Sallly V
      • Sweet Nell Fenwick
      • You don't think that the person who set the record 31 years ago maybe his accomplishment was more remarkable than one set in the modern times today?
        Roy Martin's 20.13 came at the 1985 Texas State Meet, so it's still the fastest time in high school-only competition. As a HS junior, Martin had also placed 4th at the 1984 US Olympic Trials. BTW, there was another very fast 200 run at that 1985 Tx. State - a 20.24 in a lower division (smaller schools) by one Joe DeLoach. DeLoach went on to the very top of the sport a few years out of high school, beating the defending Olympic champion Carl Lewis at the 1988 US Trials - and he did it again at the Games, taking the gold in 19.75 over Lewis and tying Lewis's American Record.

        But the most accomplished 200 runner as a high schooler was Dwayne Evans. In 1976, Evans ran 20.22 to take 2nd at the US Olympic Trials and went on to win the bronze at the Olympics in Montreal later that summer.
    • Critical Thinking
      • RE: Noah Lyles, American Junior Record 200m 20.09!!!!!!!! 7/10/2016 5:26AM - in reply to For facts sake!
      • Critical Thinking
      • For facts sake! wrote:
        HSR is still 20.13 since Lyles didn't run this 20.09 in a HS competition, but he did break the American Junior record which was also 20.13

        HSR just means that it was run by a high school student, not that it was in high-school-only competition; that's a separate record. For instance, Alan Webb ran the fastest mile ever by a high schooler, while Jim Ryun still holds the record for the fastest mile in high-school-only competition.
    • you say tomato
      • RE: Noah Lyles, American Junior Record 200m 20.09!!!!!!!! 7/10/2016 8:20AM - in reply to Critical Thinking
      • you say tomato
      • Critical Thinking wrote:

        HSR just means that it was run by a high school student
        Actually, since we are well into July and Lyles has graduated, he is rather plainly not a high school student. Recognizing the mark as a "high school record" in spite of this fact is a convention.
    • Weinergate Gary
      • RE: Noah Lyles, American Junior Record 200m 20.09!!!!!!!! 7/10/2016 8:25AM - in reply to you say tomato
      • Weinergate Gary
      • you say tomato wrote:
        Critical Thinking wrote:

        HSR just means that it was run by a high school student
        Actually, since we are well into July and Lyles has graduated, he is rather plainly not a high school student. Recognizing the mark as a "high school record" in spite of this fact is a convention.
        I would not be surprised if Lyles was ever a high school STUDENT.
    • Get your facts straight
      • RE: Noah Lyles, American Junior Record 200m 20.09!!!!!!!! 7/10/2016 8:36AM - in reply to Critical Thinking
      • Get your facts straight
      • Nope, while Track and Field News has their own criteria, it doesn't trump the National Federation of State HS Association, which only sanctions records run at dual meets, high school only invitationals and state/national HS championships. Lyles' school is subject to this rule and the Olympic trials doesn't fall into the category of any of these meets, so his 20.09 does NOT count for HSR purposes.

        But it does count as an American Junior Record.
        Critical Thinking wrote:
        For facts sake! wrote:
        HSR is still 20.13 since Lyles didn't run this 20.09 in a HS competition, but he did break the American Junior record which was also 20.13

        HSR just means that it was run by a high school student, not that it was in high-school-only competition; that's a separate record. For instance, Alan Webb ran the fastest mile ever by a high schooler, while Jim Ryun still holds the record for the fastest mile in high-school-only competition.
    • Critical Thinking
      • RE: Noah Lyles, American Junior Record 200m 20.09!!!!!!!! 7/10/2016 8:37AM - in reply to you say tomato
      • Critical Thinking
      • you say tomato wrote:
        Recognizing the mark as a "high school record" in spite of this fact is a convention.
        Sounds like we are in agreement.
    • Hiya folks
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      • RE: Noah Lyles, American Junior Record 200m 20.09!!!!!!!! 7/10/2016 8:50AM - in reply to For facts sake!
      • Hiya folks
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      • For facts sake! wrote:
        HSR is still 20.13 since Lyles didn't run this 20.09 in a HS competition,
        Completely and utterly false.

        Congrats to Noah for breaking the HSR!
    • Hiya folks
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      • RE: Noah Lyles, American Junior Record 200m 20.09!!!!!!!! 7/10/2016 8:52AM - in reply to Get your facts straight
      • Hiya folks
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      • Get your facts straight wrote:
        Nope, while Track and Field News has their own criteria, it doesn't trump the National Federation of State HS Association, which only sanctions records run at dual meets, high school only invitationals and state/national HS championships. Lyles' school is subject to this rule and the Olympic trials doesn't fall into the category of any of these meets, so his 20.09 does NOT count for HSR purposes.

        But it does count as an American Junior Record.
        Critical Thinking wrote:
        For facts sake! wrote:
        HSR is still 20.13 since Lyles didn't run this 20.09 in a HS competition, but he did break the American Junior record which was also 20.13

        HSR just means that it was run by a high school student, not that it was in high-school-only competition; that's a separate record. For instance, Alan Webb ran the fastest mile ever by a high schooler, while Jim Ryun still holds the record for the fastest mile in high-school-only competition.
        No one - and I mean NO ONE - takes the NFHS records/criteria seriously. Like, at all. Even a little.

        You are delusional.