Who is this guy??? To big to be a runner!!!

crunk juice wrote:

Outsider wrote:

Dave Davis was a DIII National Champ. He finished 12th in the 12k and 8th in the 4k.

Yes. Dave Davis is good. This guy is not. If Dave Davis was big this would be a valid thread. This guy has modest to unimpressive credentials and finished midpack. If you want to add substance to this discussion, I suggest you discuss the relatively watered-down Farm Team roster.

-Crunk

And what are your credentials Mr. Juice?

He's a 2-time NCAA Champion and a World Cross Qualifier. He was also anywhere from 7th-10th man on Stanford dominant team from a few years back.

He has my respect.

and i might add, he's got a 4:01 mile PR which isn't half bad...he's got my respect too, especially considering his size

fkafka wrote:

i mean THIS guy:

http://www.mensracing.com/image_view.php?p=321&s=photos/2005/usaxcchamps05/mens12k

that is eric hartmark...i was wondering what he was doing now...

he used to run for duluth east high school in MN...

surprised no one has mentioned this guy:

Paul McMullen

lookin huge

sorry...the link had a title from a previous post...now fixed

Outsider wrote:

crunk juice wrote:

Yes. Dave Davis is good. This guy is not. If Dave Davis was big this would be a valid thread. This guy has modest to unimpressive credentials and finished midpack.

-Crunk

And what are your credentials Mr. Juice?

sub 13:50 5k and multiple DI All-American. But that's beside the point, which you're missing. I refer you to my previous post: "If you want to add substance to this discussion, I suggest you discuss the relatively watered-down Farm Team roster." I'm not a professional runner, I had a decent college career and moved on to other things. Our professional runners are being recognized for their size? I think perhaps you can't see the forest for the trees...

you had a decent college career and moved on to other things........ like being an asshole. Why the need to hate on him for being D3 national champ? He was just out there doing the best he could. It seems like you think you're a better person because you ran in a certain division. I hope you're not married or ever have children, because they would have a real ass for a husband and a father. go ahead and pick on the little guy (or in this case big guy) to make yourself feel better. You are pathetic.

Can anyone explain the difference in quad development from one runner to the next? McMullen looks like the outside of his quad is far smaller than the inside. I noticed this about the twins from Indiana as well. Is it just a physiological thing, or does certain training make that hhappen?

Bilbo Baggins. wrote:

you had a decent college career and moved on to other things........ like being an asshole. Why the need to hate on him for being D3 national champ? He was just out there doing the best he could. It seems like you think you're a better person because you ran in a certain division. I hope you're not married or ever have children, because they would have a real ass for a husband and a father. go ahead and pick on the little guy (or in this case big guy) to make yourself feel better. You are pathetic.

Bilbo, I must say you wear your inadequacies on your sleeve.

Neilson is a legend, nough said. The guy has credentials all over the place. Mucho props to The Beast.

Drop the hammer at WXC!

He's just 3 lbs off 200. 2 El Champs and a 24 of PBR should put him over the top

What does it matter what division a guy won?? the next NCAA champ will becoming from a NJCAA school the guy is amazing and even John McDonald said he will be the next NCAA champ but because he only won the NJCAA makes him an average highschool runner?

regardless of what division Nielson came from I'm sure he is a better runner than 80% of the guys who posted on here. he's big ya but ever think maybe its genetics? I myself have the same type of body I touch a weight and i get bigger I choose not to lift but because I don't lift I loose a lot of strength. which inturn hurts me in the latter part of a mile. He lifts and he's a great runner and will do us canadians well at worlds!

wannabekila wrote:

Ace Programmer wrote:

The guy is getting a doctorate, why would he be stupid and takes drugs since his career path is certainly not running?

That is one of the dumbest, most inane assumptions i have ever come across. Because he's smart he wont cheat?

Who ever said morality is the exclusivity of the intelligent?

Maybe they should just hold IQ tests to determine positives?

I guess you have a problem thinking things through, so I will help you.

I never said anything about intelligence, though that would be a good assumption. I said he was getting a doctorate and he obviously has a solid career path. This guy is 3 1/2 minutes behind Ritz. I see absolutely no reason why drugs would be in the cards because if they were, they are not working. This guy has a lot of options and I think taking drugs so that he can be more than a half mile behind Ritz is not one of them. Maybe a shoe store clerk aspiring to be night shift assistant manager, but not this guy.

Do a little thinking next time, it might help you.

I'm not accusing him of taking drugs but why do you assume that the only reason to take drugs is to run faster? The guys in the weights room who use steroids 9 times out of 10 are not doing it to lift bigger weights but to bulk up. If the reason for taking drugs is aesthetic then running times or career prospects have zilch to do with it.

Ace Programmer wrote:

I never said anything about intelligence, though that would be a good assumption. I said he was getting a doctorate and he obviously has a solid career path. This guy is 3 1/2 minutes behind Ritz. I see absolutely no reason why drugs would be in the cards because if they were, they are not working. This guy has a lot of options and I think taking drugs so that he can be more than a half mile behind Ritz is not one of them.

Had you originally stated something like ...

"I dont think the guy is yet at the standard where he might even consider using drugs. Lets face it he's 3min behind the best the US has to offer at the moment and is unlikely to reach a high enough standrd through drugs to justify their use"

...I wouldnt have replied and I may even have agreed. But you didnt, did you? You gave as (your only) evidence for your conviction against him using drugs the fact that he is a PhD candidate. That to me is not valid or useful evidence and the insinuation is that 'he's smart, therefore he's clean' which is plain dumb. Most runners have alternative careers or careers that they've put on hold including many of those that have been caught using drugs. We don't run to make money in the western world. We run because we love to run and want to succeed at it. Ergo the decision to take drugs is not financial but one of morality and circumstance. The circumstances being that you are at a standard where drugs may bring you to the next level (qualifiers, medals, WRs, National selection/records etc). Most drug takers will take drugs at the level where they assume (incorrectly) that those they are competing against are also taking drugs. It is never an intelligence issue and seldom a financial issue.

And lastly, working towards a PhD is a perfect way of prolonging your running career and giving yourself the opportunity to train.

Wannabekiller, you're an angry little man, aren't ya?

so sad wrote:

Wannabekiller, you're an angry little man, aren't ya?

Yes I am, but so would you be if you had my injuries and obvious lack of talent.

[but i've got nothin against our hero James Nielsen]

His most impressive talent is his 5:20 beer mile. Karl Keska has the world record, but James will break 5 minutes and beat him to win the Olympic Gold for Canada.

To get back to a point made earlier, this dude is obviously on steroids.