Jeremy Wariner: USA's Best 800m Runner that Never Was

He should move up to the marayhon where the big money lives.

He was/is a 200/400 guy, i.e., a long sprinter.

Not a middle distance runner with speed.

Outside of Junatorena, no highest level 400m guy has ever been a top 800 guy too.

Yeah that stubborn guy got some OLYMPIC MEDALS. And you of course know better than him and his coach.

Did he ever show an 800 meter stride? Being thin doesn't make someone a middle distance runner.

Tullamore Dew wrote:

He was/is a 200/400 guy, i.e., a long sprinter.

Not a middle distance runner with speed.

Outside of Junatorena, no highest level 400m guy has ever been a top 800 guy too.

- David Patrick, Harald Schmid, Brandan Johnson, David Rushed

Lickety Split wrote:

Tullamore Dew wrote:

He was/is a 200/400 guy, i.e., a long sprinter.

Not a middle distance runner with speed.

Outside of Junatorena, no highest level 400m guy has ever been a top 800 guy too.

- David Patrick, Harald Schmid, Brandan Johnson, David Rushed

All good 400 guys. Not great. Mark Everett probably has the fastest 400m PR of any top 800 guy.

M Johnson, B Reynolds, Q Watts, K James, etc. Not one sub 44 guy ever did a dam thing in the 800

- Forgot Everett ... good catch

- Johnson cashed in, Butch did drugs, Quincy went to football, .... folks aren't giving it a chance in their prime.

Tullamore Dew wrote:

All good 400 guys. Not great. Mark Everett probably has the fastest 400m PR of any top 800 guy.

No, Juantorena (44.26) has the fastest 400 of any top 800 runner ever. Everett (44.59) has the second fastest 400.

If you saw that 1:53 he ran last year you wouldn't be saying that.

Les wrote:

If you saw that 1:53 he ran last year you wouldn't be saying that.

- 1st race of the season

- Probably didn't train for it

- Unfortunately, Jeremy didn't give it a chance ... now he's a "has been"

Lickety Split wrote:

Tullamore Dew wrote:

He was/is a 200/400 guy, i.e., a long sprinter.

Not a middle distance runner with speed.

Outside of Junatorena, no highest level 400m guy has ever been a top 800 guy too.

- David Patrick, Harald Schmid, Brandan Johnson, David Rushed

Wariner's run 20.2 for 200--from blocks. That's at least a full second faster than any of those guys. Probably a full second faster than any of them except 2012 Rudisha could do from a running start.

Not all great 400 runners can transition to a longer event; the 400 and 800 require radically different aerobic/anaerobic elements. Maybe Wariner could train full time for the 800 and go 1:47ish, or go into the 400 hurdles and run 48s, but it always seemed unlikely.

Wariner was a true 400 runner. Crazy speed--in 2006/7 it's not unreasonable to assume that he'd be around 10.15 for 100m--and the incredible lactic acid tolerance needed to not have his form break down in the last 50m of the race. He was a damn near perfect 400m runner.

43.5. He's still the third fastest person to ever run the 400.

Yeah, but the thing is, he just had no feel for the distance. Some 400 guys have the feel for the race even if they haven't raced it before. Juantorena won a gold medal and set a world record the first year he ran the 800 and he was one of the best 400 guys in the world at the time. He wasn't forced to move up -- he just knew how to run it. It was within his comfort zone. Wariner, not so much.

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I wonder how his sandwich stores are performing, in terms of revenue and quality of product.

Les wrote:

Yeah, but the thing is, he just had no feel for the distance. Some 400 guys have the feel for the race even if they haven't raced it before. Juantorena won a gold medal and set a world record the first year he ran the 800 and he was one of the best 400 guys in the world at the time. He wasn't forced to move up -- he just knew how to run it. It was within his comfort zone. Wariner, not so much.

I think he would have made the finals in the 800m if he had given it a chance.

I tried to talk about that to him in 2014. It was impossible. I don't think he ever got it. He is quite stuck. You just have to let people do what they want to do. The 800 is my specialty and I really don't think he understands what he let go by in the 400 and the 800. On the other hand he claims injury problems over the last few years. Also this turning 30, 31, 32 and all is not old like a lot of athletes think.

Juantorena = MASSIVE DOPER

JWjdgi wrote:

I tried to talk about that to him in 2014. It was impossible. I don't think he ever got it. He is quite stuck. You just have to let people do what they want to do. The 800 is my specialty and I really don't think he understands what he let go by in the 400 and the 800. On the other hand he claims injury problems over the last few years. Also this turning 30, 31, 32 and all is not old like a lot of athletes think.

Did he at least consider the 400 hurdles? .... I think Edwin Moses could have been great at 800m

- Baseless Charge, Cheap Shot .... troll?

No EPO no wariner

The 2004 Olympics were the EPO Olympics: Wariner, Borzakosky, El Guerrouj, Kelly Holmes. Fanny CHalkia, Tonique Williams darling et al.

And the sprints were won by Gatlin, Crawford and Nesterenko. Obvious dopers.

What an Odious Olympics.