5:11 to 4:15 miler

I went from 7:12 to 4:42.

Took another five years to go sub 4:15

That improvement is near the top. I have coached at the high school level.I have been around 15 guys that are close to the same finishing time of 415. They all went on to have good college careers, Tulane, ran a 3:50 1500 his sophomore year college after a 412 mile his Sr. year in High school, Michigan-went more to the 3000, but none to the elite level. My opinion is that is more a factor of talent. Mostly because of the 415 time. And was the 511 your PR after the entire season. What was your first competitive mile. Overall, this next year or 2 of training will be the year where hard work will come into play.

Olympic Truth wrote:

That improvement is near the top. I have coached at the high school level.I have been around 15 guys that are close to the same finishing time of 415. They all went on to have good college careers, Tulane, ran a 3:50 1500 his sophomore year college after a 412 mile his Sr. year in High school, Michigan-went more to the 3000, but none to the elite level. My opinion is that is more a factor of talent. Mostly because of the 415 time. And was the 511 your PR after the entire season. What was your first competitive mile. Overall, this next year or 2 of training will be the year where hard work will come into play.

My first mile was freshman year. I ran 5:20 in my debut and by the end of the season I was at 5:11

6:14 to 4:55 1600m in high school.

2:06 to 1:52 800m in college.

A lot of hard work with a little bit of late to show talent, I believe.

5:52 8th grade to 4:24 senior

"their" high school career.

Based on your spelling skills, I'm guessing you're not going to an academically strong D1 school.

And I call bs on your 4:15 mile time.

Freshman year of college

2:06,4:16 (1500)

Senior year of college

1:50,3:47 (1500)

Freshman year started with a 5:32. By senior state finals 4:18. The JH coach simply didn't know anything and said to jog 3 miles every day. So nothing big just regular development in a from nothing to something program.

I did not run in middle school.

First frost XC practice: 5:28

Frosh track: 4:52 first race, 4:37 last

Soph: 4:28

Jr: 4:32

Sr: 4:27

So in 20 months I went from 5:28 to 4:28.

Alan

I went from 7:45 to 4:47.75. Took a ton of miles to pull that one off.

I've seen someone improve about the same amount who was a little bit faster but I wouldn't say it is common. Many top runners are usually running really fast all 4 years.

Expo21 wrote:

My freshman year I ran 5:11 and by my senior year I was a 4:15 miler.

I want to know how often you guys see runners improve this much over there highschool career.

Do you think it's a factor of discovering talent/potential or just hard work?

The power of puberty. Most of your improvement in high school will be due to your physical growth level. Almost all age group champions started shaving by 14.

I ran the 800 my Freshman year. I qualified for varsity with a 3rd place 2:34 time trial at the beginning of the season. We ran maybe 10 miles a week and 3 or 4 times we did a "speedwork" of 2x400 (approx 72s) or 3x200 (approx 34s). I ended the season at 2:24. In the summer I ran the mile or 1500 4 times, all 4 times I ran between 5:10 and 5:15.

In my senior year, I ran 4:23. Our interval workouts were fairly intense, but I only ran about 6 months of the year and I was averaging under 30 miles a week (in my Junior year I did 40-50 for a few weeks at the beginning). I did not grow at all during my HS years (5'7, 105lbs) so I was not someone who matured early.

I think I had some talent but I ended up sucking in college because I started training hard and was perpetually overtrained. I never PRed again in the mile.

My teammate was a 5:04 miler as a Freshman and ended up running 9:09 for 2 miles as a Senior, but he only made it to 4:24 in the mile in HS. He later went on to run 8:11 for 3k and 3:49 for 1500m. His talent would have been at 10k but he goofed off too much and didn't maximize his potential.

Another teammate ran 4:53 as a Sophomore (I don't know his Freshman time but it was over 5:00). He ended up at 4:32 as a Senior but later went on to make a World Championships team in the marathon (his lifetime 1500 PR was 4:01).

Neither of my teammates ran more than 9 months a year during HS or over 50 miles a week.

I would say that you are relatively talented but it depends on how much running you did.

5:49 my freshman year to 4:29 senior year. then to 4:13 senior year in college and 4 years out 4:06.

Started at 5:11 for 1600 as a HS junior who played fb/bb and had no clue about distance running.

Less than two years later ran 4:28 mile in my first college indoor meet on a flat undersized track. Running cross country the previous fall and losing about 20lb did wonders lol.

Injuries ensued and killed my college progression. But snuck in a 4:19 1600 pr at age 28 near the end of grad school.

5:35 beginning of sophomore year.

4:07 end of sophomore year.

5:06 to 4:14

Also 2:10 at 14 to 1:53 at 16

I went from 4:54 my sophomore year in High School to 4:10 my 5th year in College.