A recent study, that stil needs to be finalised, tested the effect of EPO on trained cyclist. According to the researchers it is the first test on trained athletes.
Here is a link:
A recent study, that stil needs to be finalised, tested the effect of EPO on trained cyclist. According to the researchers it is the first test on trained athletes.
Here is a link:
But, elites do not only use EPO, how many experimental, not popular drugs are used? But yeah I read somewhere that raw and fresh root beet juice does more for elites than EPO.
Canova, Smanova. The guys a joke.
Excuse my French but what a load of BS. Why did they need to test something that a small understanding of physiology would already have the answer to and then leave out why the results turned out that way?
This is simple, of course EPO is not going to increase RACEDAY performance when it is injected on the day of a race because EPO is a reticulocyte stimulator, it causes the bone marrow to create excess reticulocytes(immature red blood cells) which take up to two days to mature into fully fledged mature red blood cells. It's not a case of injecting and off goes the rider pushing out 25 watts extra straight away. Erythropoiesis takes time to develop. Amateur hour study which sheds no new light on anything we don't already know about short-term reactions to EPO.
Threads For wrote:
Excuse my French but what a load of BS. Why did they need to test something that a small understanding of physiology would already have the answer to and then leave out why the results turned out that way?
This is simple, of course EPO is not going to increase RACEDAY performance when it is injected on the day of a race because EPO is a reticulocyte stimulator, it causes the bone marrow to create excess reticulocytes(immature red blood cells) which take up to two days to mature into fully fledged mature red blood cells. It's not a case of injecting and off goes the rider pushing out 25 watts extra straight away. Erythropoiesis takes time to develop. Amateur hour study which sheds no new light on anything we don't already know about short-term reactions to EPO.
Good points. We can also use the Canova argument and point out that the cyclists were also amateur riders riders and far from being elite therefore this study does not tell us anythng about the effects of EPO in elite cyclists ...
Have you got a link to the study. That link sucks.
HobbyYuggurt wrote:
But, elites do not only use EPO, how many experimental, not popular drugs are used? But yeah I read somewhere that raw and fresh root beet juice does more for elites than EPO.
The best are ostrich and calf blood as well as actovegin.
Why not drink bull piss? That's the best performace enhancer of them all. Especially if it's fresh and warm.
Zillion thanks for the link to the article. I had actually heard about the study when they were looking for participants some time ago, but totally forgot it.
In contrary to what some skeptics have claimed about the study, it apparently lasted for a few months with regular EPO/placebo injections as there is a reference to an exercise test "two months ago, before the men were given for the first EPO or a placebo".
Nevertheless it is very difficult to comment deeply about the matter until the study with all the relevant data has been published in the future.
Thanks for the info Aragon. But weren't you also a skeptic just a few months ago? Are you eyes beginning to see the light?
This link
Gives a bit more information on the test. But yes, the test was done over a 3 month period with several tests throughout this period. The final test was a 140km race finishing on Mont Ventoux.
And these tests were done by the university/hospital of Leiden which should give the research some credibility. And finally, they still need to further analyse the numbers, so that is why it's difficult to find more information.
LaughingOne wrote:
Canova, Smanova. The guys a joke.
You aren't kidding. Real testing has shown that EPO helps just about anyone, athlete or not. Canova has been aided by politics his entire career. Take away the political protection his third world charges have enjoyed and he'd have nothing, not a smidgen of success.
Given how widespread drug use is in amateur and elite cycling, it is essential that all the test subjects are extensively drug tested before and during the experiment otherwise all the data is useless.
It is almost certain that they performed zero drug testing before and during this experiment. Researchers in performance enhancing drugs never do.
This experiment makes as much sense as testing to see the benefits of EPO and testosterone on elite Russian athletes, but without bothering to do any drug testing!
The only thing this cycling experiment did is to give some free EPO to a bunch of cyclist that are already on drugs to begin with.
I am not exaggerating. These researchers really are that incompetent.
The type of runner attracted to Aden responds perhaps to things not natural but for an Italian we don't have this kind of magnetism.
it's all bollocks wrote:
Why not drink bull piss? That's the best performace enhancer of them all. Especially if it's fresh and warm.
True. But what a lot of people don't know - and which is why they don't get the full benefits - isn that the urine should not get into contact with air! You need to suck it straight from the tap!
Finally proof that Lance really did win all those tours. I just knew it.
Idiotic experiments like these were the reason why so many academics believed that anabolic steroids did not work.
There is a huge problem when performing such experiments. It is incredibly difficult to find clean athletes to begin with!
If it is confirmed that they performed no drug testing, then these academics should return their PhD’s and ask for a refund.
the way it was presented on the news made me cringe.
One of the cyclists, after going up the mt ventoux, to a journalist "I don't know if i got the real stuff but I was 5 minutes faster than the last time I climbed the mt V."
Ehh, okay man... good to know champ
This experiment is analogous to going to a crack house to determine the effect of crack cocaine on humans. You give 10 crack addicts some extra crack cocaine and you let another 10 crack addicts do whatever they want to. You then come to the conclusion that crack cocaine has no effect on humans.
After some more reading I found the following:
Athletes got a shot each week. Either EPO or placebo.
They did regular fitness tests on an indoor/home trainer.
For health reasons they kept hematocrit levels below 52. If I remember correctly dopers that have been caught would reach levels over 55. Normal levels are around 45 for men.
I'm curious to what the hometrainer results give. A poor raceday result can a variety of reasons.