holy jesus that's fast
faster than cranny was
holy jesus that's fast
faster than cranny was
Donaghu 3rd in 4:14, not sure about Rains
PTF Watch wrote:
Fantastic . . . did she win? Donoghu & Rainsberger?
Rainsberger came in something like 11th. Her time was so slow she didn't even make the results board.
I think she has a terrible coach!
Congrats to Aragon!
You're right! Aragon's time is faster than Cranny!
And:
Top 3 HS Girls 1500m All-Time:
4:04.62 - Mary Cain (2013)
4:07.05 - Alexa Efraimson (2014)
4:10.95 - Elise Cranny (2014)
Technically true but Alexa was still a HSer when she ran 4:03
CheckIt wrote:
You're right! Aragon's time is faster than Cranny!
And:
Top 3 HS Girls 1500m All-Time:
4:04.62 - Mary Cain (2013)
4:07.05 - Alexa Efraimson (2014)
4:10.95 - Elise Cranny (2014)
LittleFeet wrote:
Rainsberger came in something like 11th. Her time was so slow she didn't even make the results board.
I think she has a terrible coach!
Congrats to Aragon!
Per live results, Rainsberger was 3rd (although based on their (lack of) timeliness, who knows what's accurate.
Section 2
1 Aragon, Christina Unattached 4:09.27U
2 Farber, Lianne New Balance Norcal 4:12.35
3 Rainsberger, Katie Unattached 4:12.62
4 Donaghu, Ella Unattached 4:14.11
5 Moye, Megan Unattached 4:14.15
6 Kelly, Mariah Unattached 4:14.31
7 Pomfret, Kendra Mizuno Run Canada 4:14.40
8 Silva, Samantha Bowerman Track Club 4:14.49
9 Kouba, Paige Harvard 4:16.61
10 Paquette, Lauren Brooks/Break 4:17.18
11 Salerno, Melissa Asics 4:18.32
12 Handler, Brook Unattached 4:19.32
13 Van Der Klooster, Coreen Run Canberra 4:27.41
Amazing! These high school girls are ON FIRE!!! Can't wait to see them advance through the ranks of the NCAA under the solid guidance of Milt next year. Christina and Ella are INCREDIBLE! Katie ran well also.
ergerg wrote:
holy jesus that's fast
faster than cranny was
Aragon's performance slightly better, but Kate Murphy ran 2:03 in 800m
NOP Skeptic wrote:
ergerg wrote:holy jesus that's fast
faster than cranny was
Aragon's performance slightly better, but Kate Murphy ran 2:03 in 800m
Sorry, it was actually Samantha Murphy, read it wrong
Stanford women looking good next year, might have 4 women in the 1500m final next year
Aragon going to Stanford (per Milesplit article): She joins a loaded recruiting class of All-Americans that includes Hannah Debalsi of Staples, Conn., Fiona O'Keeffe of Davis, Calif., Ella Donaghu of Grant, Ore. and Sarah Walker of Germantown Friends School, Pa.
Will Stanford ask some of these new recruits to run XC next year? O'Keeffe seems more like a 3K+ type runner so I would think she might run XC. But I could see them redshirt Aragon (for XC) and have her focus on indoor and outdoor?
Cite:
http://www.milesplit.com/articles/174495/christina-aragon-joins-loaded-stanford-recruiting-class
Just watched the video on Flo. Aragon was really rockin' the last 300m. Looked really strong. Congrats !!
Everyone gets SO excited at these times as if it's something that's never been done before. The past 5-10 years have shown it happens with more exposure, more opportunities, and more focused athletes and coaches.
Let's see how they progress OR maintain OR regress over the next few years. High School girls training at a very high level haven't exactly shown a consistent ability to continue to develop. In fact, the opposite seems to happen more often. They get to college, have to deal with adapting to doing their own laundry, feeding themselves, training at a high level, racing against a lot more competition, and dealing with the distractions of the college experience. Then the injuries come which delays their progression. Unfortunately, they often get slower or don't get much faster.
Cranny is a great example of a high school phenom coming back from injury. Allie is amazing but now has to work her way back. Rohrer has the same challenge. If someone looks at the track record, a pattern emerges.
Someone prove me wrong 'cause I'm rooting for these kids to all be studs and make Olympic and World Championship teams in the next 4-8 years.
High school success is no guarantee of college or pro success, for guys or gals. I think we all (should) know that by now.
to RELAX above: Thanks. I am relaxed! Perhaps you should "relax." I was simply struck by how strong Aragon looked in the final 300m. I'm not implying that she is going to change the world of running... I think everyone knows and largely agrees with the obvious points you made above about the difficult progression from HS to College for runners. Perhaps with these "more focused athletes and coaches," this transition will improve over time as well. In the meantime, it is OK to cheer on those runners that are doing well. So, relax.
"Relax" is a Dillweeb who when he is at a High School meet doesn't cheer for the runners because it will "put too much pressure on them", "Cause them to burn out" or you will risk getting invested in an athlete that "....will never pan out, 99% of the time".
The rest of us can just enjoy the joy of youth and the talent as it comes.
Too bad Stanford makes it's runners slower in College then they were in High School. Look at Cranny it took her what 2-3 years to break her High School PR in the 1,500 wow. Look at runners like Cuffe,Weisenbach,Champus,insert name,etc how much slower they got at Stanford it's really sad. So while Donaghu and Aragon are really fast now they have reached their peak cause of the terrible coaching they will receive at Stanford the next 4 years. Stanford ruins more great athletes for Track then maybe every other team in the NCAA combined. Sure we all get the value of the Stanford degree but I mean really they get a top 2 recruiting class every single year yet don't have anything to show for it. While I do think Stanford made top 10 this year a first for what 10-15 years they should win NCAA every year with that talent. For reference here is what Oregon does with a top 2 recruiting class every year. NCAA outdoor 16: 2nd
15: CHAMP
14: 3rd
13: 3rd
12: 2nd
11: 2nd
10: 2nd
09: 2nd
Yes - I may be a Dillweed but I do cheer for my kids (and others) at track and XC meets. Seeing someone break 6' for the mile is often more rewarding than seeing the fast kid break 5', again.
Here's the real tragedy (at least for D1 XC/Track&Field):
Stellar high school times are becoming the norm for the few college scholarships that exist. A very successful D1 coach (friend) of mine recently told me how average a 4:50/10:30 high school girl recruit is these days. A recent thread on here talked about how a 9:15 2 miler is an 'average' guys D1 recruit time.
So where does this put us?
It puts the kids in a position to get much more serious in high school to have a shot at a place on the team, not even for a scholarship. Will they get faster in college? Hopefully, but more often than not, it's marginal improvement as they've been training at a high level just to be able to make the College team.
I'd rather see kids develop over time and have strong upside in College. There are many programs that contend most years with these types of recruits. As a benefit, they usually aren't as burned out. Look at this years NCAAs. Frerichs in the steeple, Curtin in the 5k, Schuetz in the 800 are all great examples of the real recruiting success stories.
Stanford ruins athletes?
This year:
Sean McGorty: 13:24.25 in 5,000; 2nd NCAA indoor 3K, outdoor 5K; 3:53.95 mile.
Grant Fisher: Top American in NCAA XC; 13:30.13 in 5,000; 6th in NCAA 5K; 7:50.06 in 3K
Justin Brinkley: 3:40.31 in 1,500.
Men's XC team, third in NCAA.
Elise Cranny: NCAA 1,500 runner-up; Pac-12 champ.
Olivia Baker: NCAA 800 runner-up; 2:01.02; 3rd at NCAA indoor 800; Pac-12 400 champ.
Claudia Saunders: 4th in NCAA outdoor 800; NCAA outdoor 800 runner-up previous two years; 2:00.63.
Rebecca Mehra: Pac-12 1,500 runner-up.
Aisling Cuffe: Pac-12 XC champ for the second time. Eight All-America honors overall, two-time NCAA 5K runner-up; 15:11.13 at Stanford.
Vanessa Fraser: 15:41.64 5K, NCAA XC, indoor track, and outdoor track All-America.
Six women under 4:20 in the 1,500 this year.
Four women at 2:05 or faster in the 800 this year.
On Fisher, meant to say top American frosh at NCAA XC.
While I applaud your sentiment, if I'm a prospect, I'm doing everything I can to either get a scholarship or preferred treatment during admissions.
And, the reality is that, it's very rare for a kid to be, say, > 9:15 in 3200 to be a NCAA D1 All American. I can't think of any. Maybe Ferlic?
So, what are we wasting? Not the premiere talent (for guys, anyway).
The reality is that if you burn out a 9:15 guy, there's another one waiting in the wings. This is how D1 functions.