He does no more than necessary to win. He never tries to run fast. Just sits and kicks. Lest anyone get the panties in a bunch, this is not an attack on him, but just an observation of the similarities between the two. Both could improve their 5k & 10k PRs if they truly committed to a fast pace. For whatever reason though, they are content to merely win (which is still very impressive).
Enough with these takes people
I would agree that he is the NCAA's Farah. He is a sit-and-kicker who refuses to run fast times. It's all about championship wins for them. Mo was a late bloomer, and Ches is overage according to LR trolls. As Mo has in some situations, Ches went to the front at one point in the 5k and tried to slow the pace. Ironically, Ches did the Mobot at the end of the 5k.
Keychain go jangalang wrote:
Enough with these takes people
+1
All he does is win! Now why the heck would somebody dedicate hour upon hour of training to prepare for a competition when they all do is win over and over again. For the life of me I can't figure it out. What is this world coming to?!
smile wrote:
He does no more than necessary to win. He never tries to run fast. Just sits and kicks. Lest anyone get the panties in a bunch, this is not an attack on him, but just an observation of the similarities between the two. Both could improve their 5k & 10k PRs if they truly committed to a fast pace. For whatever reason though, they are content to merely win (which is still very impressive).
Remind me. Is it the 7:40 that is slow, the 3:52, or the 13:18? I'm not a great judge of these things.
Spaghettimonster wrote:
smile wrote:He does no more than necessary to win. He never tries to run fast. Just sits and kicks. Lest anyone get the panties in a bunch, this is not an attack on him, but just an observation of the similarities between the two. Both could improve their 5k & 10k PRs if they truly committed to a fast pace. For whatever reason though, they are content to merely win (which is still very impressive).
Remind me. Is it the 7:40 that is slow, the 3:52, or the 13:18? I'm not a great judge of these things.
They are all slow. If he did his best, he should be about 7:32, 3:48 and 13:02.
Hard to deny the fact that both have dark skin.
Other observations:
Clayton Murphy is the Nick Willis of the NCAA
Donovan Brazier is the Duane Soloman of the NCAA
Mason Ferlic is the Robert Downey Jr. of the NCAA
Edwin Kibichy is the Wesley Snipes of the NCAA
Hector Hernandez is the John Leguizamo of the NCAA
Pegasus dude wrote:
Hard to deny the fact that both have dark skin.
Other observations:
Clayton Murphy is the Nick Willis of the NCAA
Donovan Brazier is the Duane Soloman of the NCAA
Mason Ferlic is the Robert Downey Jr. of the NCAA
Edwin Kibichy is the Wesley Snipes of the NCAA
Hector Hernandez is the John Leguizamo of the NCAA
Yes, I'm quite sure he was being racist. That was the whole reason for the post. Since both are black, his intention were racist observations. Are you really THAT stupid? What kind of fool are you when that is your default subject? How do you even make it through the day when that is how you think?
It is not ironic that Cheserek tried to do the mobot. There is a reason that he follows this minimal effort strategy, stick and kick, never lead prior to the last lap except to slow the pace down: he's following Salazar's advice for Farah. Salazar is very close to the program. It's horrible to watch but it sure is successful to leach off of your competitors, save energy the entire way, and never show what your limits are.
smile wrote:
He does no more than necessary to win. He never tries to run fast. Just sits and kicks. Lest anyone get the panties in a bunch, this is not an attack on him, but just an observation of the similarities between the two. Both could improve their 5k & 10k PRs if they truly committed to a fast pace. For whatever reason though, they are content to merely win (which is still very impressive).
One major issue with this. There are a number of runners who have vastly superior PRs to Farah, and throughout his career, have likely capable of running much faster times in any given race (ex. Gebrmeskel, Koech, etc.).
There are no NCAA athletes who are the equivalent of that for Cheserek. When Lawi Lalang left, no distance runners remained who were actually capable of running times faster than Cheserek's PRs.
Sure, there's a few mid-distance guys who may be able to run faster 1500m/mile times, but when push came to shove and Yorks tried to use the "fast race" tactic in the DMR championship, Cheserek answered, left him in the dust, and ran a time faster than his PR.
I thought you were going to say he's the Mo Farah of the NCAA because they're both in their 30s.
Spaghettimonster wrote:
Remind me. Is it the 7:40 that is slow, the 3:52, or the 13:18?
All three.
Spaghettimonster wrote:
I'm not a great judge of these things.
Clearly.
Anyone else notice his arms were all over the place in the last 200m!
If there was a 10K duel between them would it ever end? Would either of them be willing to set the pace?
smile wrote:
He does no more than necessary to win. He never tries to run fast. Just sits and kicks. Lest anyone get the panties in a bunch, this is not an attack on him, but just an observation of the similarities between the two. Both could improve their 5k & 10k PRs if they truly committed to a fast pace. For whatever reason though, they are content to merely win (which is still very impressive).
Typical stupid LRC post, along with several stupid responses to it. Doubling back from a 10K approx 48 hours prior and winning in 13:25 while still at 85-90% fitness, and morons are complaining about him not racing hard enough and do no more than necessary to win?!!! Remind me how many titles, pulling off 10K and 5K doubles and setting PBs every time???? Right not a single f'ing one. STFU.
Cheserek won his 15th title in track/xc, currently tied for most all-time. Next year he will likely add another 6 titles and put the record so far out of reach that it will likely be safe for many decades to come.
15th title, you got how many wrote:
smile wrote:He does no more than necessary to win. He never tries to run fast. Just sits and kicks. Lest anyone get the panties in a bunch, this is not an attack on him, but just an observation of the similarities between the two. Both could improve their 5k & 10k PRs if they truly committed to a fast pace. For whatever reason though, they are content to merely win (which is still very impressive).
Typical stupid LRC post, along with several stupid responses to it. Doubling back from a 10K approx 48 hours prior and winning in 13:25 while still at 85-90% fitness, and morons are complaining about him not racing hard enough and do no more than necessary to win?!!! Remind me how many titles, pulling off 10K and 5K doubles and setting PBs every time???? Right not a single f'ing one. STFU.
Cheserek won his 15th title in track/xc, currently tied for most all-time. Next year he will likely add another 6 titles and put the record so far out of reach that it will likely be safe for many decades to come.
Typical LRC overreaction because you disagree with what I wrote.
I missed the part where you pointed out why anything I wrote is wrong.
smile wrote:
Spaghettimonster wrote:Remind me. Is it the 7:40 that is slow, the 3:52, or the 13:18?
All three.
Spaghettimonster wrote:
I'm not a great judge of these things.
Clearly.
In what f*cking world are say of those slow. If any other NCAA athlete dropped times like Cheserek you all would go crazy. How fast does he need to be to be up to LRC standards? The answer is that it doesn't matter. It's his strategy that annoys you all. If he doesn't do everything he can to risk injury and use the worst tactic possible to win a race then he is a coward. Then he leads most of Millrose and he gets ripped for not winning.
Pre got admiration for front-running even though it's a crap strategy, Ches gets criticized for using good strategy and doing what it takes to win. This place is upside-down.
smile wrote:
15th title, you got how many wrote:Typical stupid LRC post, along with several stupid responses to it. Doubling back from a 10K approx 48 hours prior and winning in 13:25 while still at 85-90% fitness, and morons are complaining about him not racing hard enough and do no more than necessary to win?!!! Remind me how many titles, pulling off 10K and 5K doubles and setting PBs every time???? Right not a single f'ing one. STFU.
Cheserek won his 15th title in track/xc, currently tied for most all-time. Next year he will likely add another 6 titles and put the record so far out of reach that it will likely be safe for many decades to come.
Typical LRC overreaction because you disagree with what I wrote.
I missed the part where you pointed out why anything I wrote is wrong.
I'd guess the part where "how many" pointed out that Cheserek isn't 100%, which obviously calls into question your assertion that "he never tries to run fast". How do you know he wasn't running as fast as he could coming off a day's rest and not being at 100%? He ran a 13:25 for christsakes, as was also pointed out. How fast did he need to run to prove to you he was "trying to run fast"?
I'd say "how many" did point out how you were wrong, you either couldn't apprehend that or were willfully ignoring it.