Freshman battle: Mcdonald over Fisher

RS Frosh, Australian, still very young, also a great guy.

Everyone talking about Donny Brazier 1:43, Donny Brazier 1:43

Fisher and McDonald as FR just had insane races and are barely even getting recognition

Not even the FR, the 5k was one of the deepest 5k's in history time wise, you had to get low 13:31 just to get first team AA

McGorty, Tiernan, Curtin, Walling, Corona, Kincaid

Fisher is up there with the likes of German (not ahead, I just said up there), not to discredit anything that Brazier has done, but Fisher and McDonald definitely need some praise

I'd like to see Fisher try and take down German's 13:25 at the Olympic Trials

A little bit of a stretch, but he could do it

NOP Skeptic wrote:

Everyone talking about Donny Brazier 1:43, Donny Brazier 1:43

Fisher and McDonald as FR just had insane races and are barely even getting recognition

Not even the FR, the 5k was one of the deepest 5k's in history time wise, you had to get low 13:31 just to get first team AA

McGorty, Tiernan, Curtin, Walling, Corona, Kincaid

Fisher is up there with the likes of German (not ahead, I just said up there), not to discredit anything that Brazier has done, but Fisher and McDonald definitely need some praise

Well done Fisher and McDonald!

Did anybody see that 800 final?

Kid Brazier ran 1:43 - amazing!

NOP Skeptic wrote:

Everyone talking about Donny Brazier 1:43, Donny Brazier 1:43

Fisher and McDonald as FR just had insane races and are barely even getting recognition

Not even the FR, the 5k was one of the deepest 5k's in history time wise, you had to get low 13:31 just to get first team AA

McGorty, Tiernan, Curtin, Walling, Corona, Kincaid

Fisher is up there with the likes of German (not ahead, I just said up there), not to discredit anything that Brazier has done, but Fisher and McDonald definitely need some praise

True, Brazier def deserves tons of praise, others def get the short end of the stick though. In what other year wouldn't people be starting threads about Harris who broke 1:46? 1:43 is out of this world. He is the star and rightfully so in this case, everyone else is shinning a bit less bright.

I'm actually quite surprised the messages board wasn't blowing up over both Fisher and Brazier

Fisher running 13:30 is great for a FR, and what people don't understand is, it takes time to develop at longer distances

You always see these FR phenom's in the sprint events and as the distance gets higher you see age start to become more of a factor

It's science, humans reach their overall maximal anaerobic capacity at earlier ages than their overall maximal aerobic capacity, so we would expect someone like Donny Brazier to hit a 1:43 before Fisher runs the 5k equivalent to that, would we not? Would you really expect Fisher to be running 13:00 right now?

I realize for the time being Braziers performance is better, but in relative terms, Fisher performance was just as good IMO, and even with McDonald, he is a RS FR, but I think he's still 19 years old, if not he just turned 20

NOP Skeptic wrote:

Everyone talking about Donny Brazier 1:43, Donny Brazier 1:43

Fisher and McDonald as FR just had insane races and are barely even getting recognition

Not even the FR, the 5k was one of the deepest 5k's in history time wise, you had to get low 13:31 just to get first team AA

McGorty, Tiernan, Curtin, Walling, Corona, Kincaid

Fisher is up there with the likes of German (not ahead, I just said up there), not to discredit anything that Brazier has done, but Fisher and McDonald definitely need some praise

It's going to be a great Olympic Trials 5k, I know that much, Miltenburg said McGorty and Fisher will be there! McGorty for 3rd!

NOP Skeptic wrote:

I realize for the time being Braziers performance is better, but in relative terms, Fisher performance was just as good IMO, and even with McDonald, he is a RS FR, but I think he's still 19 years old, if not he just turned 20

Fisher's performance was no where near a 1:43.5 in "relative" terms. One crushed an AJR, one didn't. 13:10-13:15 for Fisher I'd say would be on par under your way of thinking.

We get way more 800m-1500m phenoms than we do 5k phenoms. I am still waiting for that 13:00 18 year old American runner. I don't think I'll see it in my lifetime though.

Gerry Lindgen's time, relative to the 5k world record back then - was the last great 5k phenom.

5k - 13:44 - WR was 13:35

5k - 8:40 - WR was 8:26

So.. what a phenom would have to do is run 12:46 and 8:04 in the 5k and 2 mile to match his accomplishments (relative to the WRs).

Gerry Lindgren participated before Africans dominated the sport. If Africans were in the sport back then, Lindgren wouldn't have been that close.

Does a 13:30 get one into the Olympic trials? I thought the Olympic standard was quicker?

NOP Skeptic wrote:

Everyone talking about Donny Brazier 1:43, Donny Brazier 1:43

Fisher and McDonald as FR just had insane races and are barely even getting recognition

Not even the FR, the 5k was one of the deepest 5k's in history time wise, you had to get low 13:31 just to get first team AA

McGorty, Tiernan, Curtin, Walling, Corona, Kincaid

Fisher is up there with the likes of German (not ahead, I just said up there), not to discredit anything that Brazier has done, but Fisher and McDonald definitely need some praise

Agreed.

Fisher kept his cool, continually moved up, bridged gaps well, and finished very strong. Another 20 meters and he would have passed McDonald. Solid run for the 20 year old Aussie and good for the Wisconsin distance program. Great showing for Stanford (McGorty 2nd and Fisher 6th). I believe McGorty would have won the 5km if Wednesday nights 10 km would have been a faster race.

That's the same thing I was thinking

If Futsum would've pushed that 10k, say maybe to where Chez had to go around 28:10 to win, I feel like McGorty would've definitely beat him

Chez even looked kinda scared when McGorty took it with 600m to go and the only reason McGorty went w/ 600m to go is so he could at least get 2nd because Knight and Tiernan were on his heels, his best option IMO was to wait til 350m to go

If Futsum really wanted Chez to lose he could've been the sacrificial lamb for McGorty! Tiernan wasn't enough to do it!

How much more can Brazier improve? he could very well grab an Olympic medal!

In my opinion he's going to get a fatter contract making it to the Olympic final as a 19 year old compared to just winning World JR's

As for Fisher, Milt is bringing him along slowly, expect him to be around 13:15 next year

Not a lawyer wrote:

Gerry Lindgren participated before Africans dominated the sport. If Africans were in the sport back then, Lindgren wouldn't have been that close.

You are clearly confusing "Africans" with "EPO"

Stanford Alum Ni wrote:

NOP Skeptic wrote:

Everyone talking about Donny Brazier 1:43, Donny Brazier 1:43

Fisher and McDonald as FR just had insane races and are barely even getting recognition

Not even the FR, the 5k was one of the deepest 5k's in history time wise, you had to get low 13:31 just to get first team AA

McGorty, Tiernan, Curtin, Walling, Corona, Kincaid

Fisher is up there with the likes of German (not ahead, I just said up there), not to discredit anything that Brazier has done, but Fisher and McDonald definitely need some praise

It's going to be a great Olympic Trials 5k, I know that much, Miltenburg said McGorty and Fisher will be there! McGorty for 3rd!

Does Fish have the trials standard?

*fisher

Laramigo wrote:

We get way more 800m-1500m phenoms than we do 5k phenoms. I am still waiting for that 13:00 18 year old American runner. I don't think I'll see it in my lifetime though.

Gerry Lindgen's time, relative to the 5k world record back then - was the last great 5k phenom.

5k - 13:44 - WR was 13:35

5k - 8:40 - WR was 8:26

So.. what a phenom would have to do is run 12:46 and 8:04 in the 5k and 2 mile to match his accomplishments (relative to the WRs).

Until this year we haven't really had many blazing 800's from American jrs. This obviously stands out by far against previous 800's. We've had 4? ajr's in the 5k in the last 15 years by Sanchez, Rupp, Derrick (did he for a short while?) and GF. Ryun's record held a long time (obviously it was much better than 13:38 and harder to break), but nobody has really come even close to it in recent years.

You may never see an Anerican Jr. go 13:00, but we've moved a lot closer to it since 2000 with tons of amazing young talent coming up.

Well, apparently, according to Tinman, Andrew Hunter is in 13:25 shape so when ever he decides to run that we can officially get closer

Of course he can't do anything next track season to get closer because he's already 19 years old and will turn 20 next indoor season