Do you know of any long time runners who are setting PRs or near PRs well past age 50?

There is a third category that will be referenced shortly...

Observer of masters wrote:

Have any of you personally encountered a runner like this? If so, what do you or they attribute their relative surge in performance to?

So you are saying that they are on EPO, testosterone and/or HGH?

Is that it? Hey? Is that what you are inferring?

If they were racing 7 minute miles and are now racing 6 minute miles, who cares.

Here's a guy that is real

http://www.thepowerof10.info/athletes/profile.aspx?athleteid=1359

If people are up front, preferably vocal, about their TRT use , and are running sub-competitive times, I really don't care. For those of us who ARE competing in the upper levels of our AG, if you are not being forthcoming about TRT and taking places in your AG you are cheating, pure and simple, and should be sanctioned accordingly, just as if you cut the course or forged a result.

fred wrote:

Observer of masters wrote:

Have any of you personally encountered a runner like this? If so, what do you or they attribute their relative surge in performance to?

So you are saying that they are on EPO, testosterone and/or HGH?

Is that it? Hey? Is that what you are inferring?

If they were racing 7 minute miles and are now racing 6 minute miles, who cares.

If you understand human physiology just a little, you ought to realize that if a runner runs a PR at 50yo (not a AG pr), he or she did not run their potential in their prime. So if you started racing at 40 something...sure you could probably run a pr in your 50s.

fred wrote:

Observer of masters wrote:

Have any of you personally encountered a runner like this? If so, what do you or they attribute their relative surge in performance to?

So you are saying that they are on EPO, testosterone and/or HGH?

Is that it? Hey? Is that what you are inferring?

If they were racing 7 minute miles and are now racing 6 minute miles, who cares.

Please remember the new special masters "not really cheating" category recently developed fred.

You also would not care if someone could cheat at age 57 and maybe bring their pace down from 10 minute mile pace to 9 minute mile pace at 11,700 ft. altitude while wearing gray (grey) duct tape (as a substitute for that expensive KY jelly tape) to stay warm and also with "Bekele form" while watching the beautiful colors (colours) of the sunset.

You would not care about that...would you fred?

I also noticed that Martin Rees is really slowing down bad with only a 55 min 10 mile race in his 60's.

He is too embarrassed to even ask for training advice at Letsrun.com.

It is sad, really.

Who cares if they're on drugs in the first place? What a stupid precedent sports set.

WIN AT ALL COSTS

Except all the costs that keep you running at a high level.

There is a 49 year old in our running community who does nothing but run. Well, he works, but he had no other interests, no children and is a total jerk.

At a race last summer, he didn't too well and was passed the last 200 meters by a female Kenyan. At the awards banquet, he was pounding the table in frustration, saying how he was going to "train his brains out and pound her in the ground next year."

If he only saw the people laughing at him. What a joke.

Tooth wrote:

There is a 49 year old in our running community who does nothing but run. Well, he works, but he had no other interests, no children and is a total jerk.

At a race last summer, he didn't too well and was passed the last 200 meters by a female Kenyan. At the awards banquet, he was pounding the table in frustration, saying how he was going to "train his brains out and pound her in the ground next year."

If he only saw the people laughing at him. What a joke.

Good for him! Never say die!

HRE wrote:

Tooth wrote:

There is a 49 year old in our running community who does nothing but run. Well, he works, but he had no other interests, no children and is a total jerk.

At a race last summer, he didn't too well and was passed the last 200 meters by a female Kenyan. At the awards banquet, he was pounding the table in frustration, saying how he was going to "train his brains out and pound her in the ground next year."

If he only saw the people laughing at him. What a joke.

Good for him! Never say die!

Yeah. What a strong independent masters runner. I bet he will beat that foreigner next year!

Tooth wrote:

There is a 49 year old in our running community who does nothing but run. Well, he works, but he had no other interests, no children and is a total jerk.

At a race last summer, he didn't too well and was passed the last 200 meters by a female Kenyan. At the awards banquet, he was pounding the table in frustration, saying how he was going to "train his brains out and pound her in the ground next year."

If he only saw the people laughing at him. What a joke.

Why are you talking about the incident with Janet Bawcom again?

She was born in Kenya. However, Janet is an American citizen and is also an American OLYMPIAN.

Janet lives in Flagstaff and tries to run faster than me all the time.

It is not a joke. I do not think it is funny at all.

I had an excuse at this race:

I am not kidding Janet.

I am going to destroy you in 2017.

There are also guys who have been running consistently over the years while avoiding getting crippled by excess mileage....

I intend to do this. I have been running for 34 years.

Yep better keep the mileage under 20 miles a week.

rjm33 wrote:

Why are you talking about the incident with Janet Bawcom again?

She was born in Kenya. However, Janet is an American citizen and is also an American OLYMPIAN.

Janet lives in Flagstaff and tries to run faster than me all the time.

http://janetruns.com/?page_id=21

It is not a joke. I do not think it is funny at all.

I had an excuse at this race:

http://azdailysun.com/sports/running/flagstaff-s-snowbowl-hill-climb-brings-the-beef/article_1629cffa-1168-11e4-a00c-001a4bcf887a.html

I am not kidding Janet.

I am going to destroy you in 2017.

Janet Cherobon-Bawcom won the CU Cherry Blossom / USA 10 Mile Championships 2014 and set a women's only start American Record and championship record in 52:12

She ran 52 minutes for 10 at age 36. How much speed has she lost at 38?

[quote]Rip The Jacker wrote:

If people are up front, preferably vocal, about their TRT use , and are running sub-competitive times, I really don't care. For those of us who ARE competing in the upper levels of our AG, if you are not being forthcoming about TRT and taking places in your AG you are cheating, pure and simple, and should be sanctioned accordingly, just as if you cut the course or forged a result.

I am also competing in the upper levels of my age group and I wonder about this too. How many of my competitors are on TRT? How do we get drug testing at the master's level?

I'm a pretty competitive masters runner, and it would irk me if people were cheating, but I get where the posters who are saying "who cares?" are coming from.

For some of us, it is a matter of testing ourselves to see if we can reach our full potential, to do ourselves proud.

For a very few masters runners, titles at major races are at stake, maybe even some money. I am probably a third tier masters runner (Meb and Lagat are tier 1, Castille, Mburak, Lokken, Wells et al are tier 2 in this scenario), but I have won masters titles and a couple of prestigious races including a world major marathon in a down year. I would be fine with testing for money races, because cheating there is more than bad sportsmanship, it's theft.

Had someone taken my marathon paycheck, I'd be pissed. But if someone took my title at the other high profile race where there was no money at stake, I'd get over it.