I know the splits for his first sub-8 2M (7:58.61) are available online:
http://faculty.randolphcollege.edu/tmichalik/8min.htm
But what about his 2nd sub-8 of 7:58.91, done on February 28th, 1998 in Sydney, Australia? What were his splits for that, and notably did he break 4 twice in a row like the first time or not? I hear that his first mile was over 4:00 but I can't find any official splits.
I found the official results for the race on pg 87 / 92 of this PDF:
http://athhistory.imgstg.com/almanac/Almanac-1997-98.pdf
Looks like the meet was called "SYDNEY TRACK TOUR" and the venue "Sydney International Athletic Centre", but I still can't find splits.
Not sure. The race used to be on YouTube but I can't find it anymore. Would be great if someone can post it again.
It's here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOP15TyMSIk
Not the entire race - still cool nonetheless. Kennedy's in the race too.
unlike haile or bekele after a world record, he looks more tired...
ertert wrote:
It's here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOP15TyMSIkNot the entire race - still cool nonetheless. Kennedy's in the race too.
ertert wrote:
It's here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOP15TyMSIkNot the entire race - still cool nonetheless. Kennedy's in the race too.
No, that was his first sub-8 2M in 1997. The splits for that are in the OP. I was wondering about his 2nd sub-8 2M in 1998, which I can't find a video or splits for.
blood levels are? wrote:
unlike haile or bekele after a world record, he looks more tired...
ertert wrote:It's here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOP15TyMSIkNot the entire race - still cool nonetheless. Kennedy's in the race too.
How does he look more tired?
habs wrote:
ertert wrote:It's here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOP15TyMSIkNot the entire race - still cool nonetheless. Kennedy's in the race too.
No, that was his first sub-8 2M in 1997. The splits for that are in the OP. I was wondering about his 2nd sub-8 2M in 1998, which I can't find a video or splits for.
Correct. It was the Sydney race that used to be on the youtubes.
Bumping this? I think it would be worthwhile to know for sure how many times the consecutive sub-4 has been done.
I saw on this post that LRC user 'vincent44' seems to have the video:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&thread=5506900&id=5507325#5507552
Does anyone know who that is to confirm this? Or can anyone find it online, or give more details about this 'weekly Running & Racing show' so I can look into it?
I found this archive of the show, which was on ESPN, but it only seems to go back to Jan 2000:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010215181137/http://runningandracing.com/archive.html
If anyone has some historical TV guide / timetable data of ESPN from around March 1998 maybe that could help too, so we can at least identify the right show?
Bump
A one hour tape delayed broadcast of the meet was shown on ESPN. If I remember correctly they showed about half of the 2 mile & Larry Rawson did the commentary.
Komen. Man, the heady days of EPO abuse when officials were letting Rosa, Hermens, MacDonald and others go crazy with letting their E. African charges do whatever they wanted drug wise. Sure, officials still look the other way when it comes to certain third worlders cheating, but wow, the days of no testing at all for the E. Africans were something else.
I saw this live on TV at the time, unreal (really, too good to be true). Pretty sure Kim McDonald negotiated something like A $500k to A$1m if Komen could do two sub-4s back to back. Basically, Komen no longer tried hard after this race, didn't need to.
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
I saw this live on TV at the time, unreal (really, too good to be true). Pretty sure Kim McDonald negotiated something like A $500k to A$1m if Komen could do two sub-4s back to back. Basically, Komen no longer tried hard after this race, didn't need to.
Hey Subway - The $1 million bonus was offered in an earlier race in Hengelo for a sub 8 two mile, but Komen wasn't invited to that race. No bonus was paid out in Hengelo since Haile ran an 8:01. When Komen broke 8:00 he only received a bonus of $50K.
http://articles.latimes.com/1997/jul/26/sports/sp-16386Komin wrote:
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:I saw this live on TV at the time, unreal (really, too good to be true). Pretty sure Kim McDonald negotiated something like A $500k to A$1m if Komen could do two sub-4s back to back. Basically, Komen no longer tried hard after this race, didn't need to.
Hey Subway - The $1 million bonus was offered in an earlier race in Hengelo for a sub 8 two mile, but Komen wasn't invited to that race. No bonus was paid out in Hengelo since Haile ran an 8:01. When Komen broke 8:00 he only received a bonus of $50K.
http://articles.latimes.com/1997/jul/26/sports/sp-16386
While the match between Geb and Moreceli did have a big bonus, Aussie tv (9 or Seven) wanted a big performance to ratchet up excitement in the lead up to Sydney. Kim McDonald said to the execs that Dan Komen would run a sub 8 min two mile but they would have to pay up. McDonald couldn't believe his luck when they actually did.
Not sure anybody noticed. But notice Komen's stride, the feet placement is almost in a straight line, meaning anatomically his knees are placed (physical talent) perfect. That is the characteristic of running talent, that should be noticed by all coaches, but hey who's looking.
Give yourself a pat on the back if you've got a similar stride.
:)
Two miles is the shortest distance where it's impossible to average sub 4 mile pace without having an actual sub 4 mile in there somewhere.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Two miles is the shortest distance where it's impossible to average sub 4 mile pace without having an actual sub 4 mile in there somewhere.
wut? if i run a mile averaging sub 4 pace, i've run a sub 4 mile.
adgagdaga wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:Two miles is the shortest distance where it's impossible to average sub 4 mile pace without having an actual sub 4 mile in there somewhere.
wut? if i run a mile averaging sub 4 pace, i've run a sub 4 mile.
shortest distance above one mile.
Simplifying this to a 4 minute 1600 pace, consider for example a 5 minute 2000 paced as:
100m: 10s
1800m: 4:40
100m: 10s
With the 1800m segment run evenly at a pace of 280s x 1500/1800 = 3:53.333 per 1500. Nowhere within that 1800m segment is a sub-4 1600 run; and in the entire 2000m the fastest 1600m segment is 4:03.333.
The specifics are in another thread somewhere, but iirc the distance has to be double the segment length before this becomes impossible, and it may become possible again for longer distances like 5000. I forget exactly and don't care to look it up.