No Mid D Guy Is Running a 10 Second 100m

Armchair12 wrote:

There have been multiple threads entertaining the idea that one of the top tier Mid D guys could break 11 seconds in a 100m race. In this conversation I'm particularly referring to 800/1500 type guys as they seem to come up the most in this topic, though occasionally 1500/5k guys (Rupp, Farah) have ridiculously come up also. In this Flotrack article,

http://www.flotrack.org/article/40984-top-storylines-of-mt-sac-relays-men-s-competition

, it mentions Duane Solomon ran a 100m race earlier this year and ran a 10.84. I don't think I need to say more than that as I'm sure the following responses will roll (or troll) with this information alone.

He didn't

Brandon Johnson, 1:43.8 for 800m, has a 100m pb of 10.41. Look it up. And 48.68 for the 400m H.

He did NOT run 10.40 as a Mid D guy, and not as a 400h guy either. He ran it in high school in the Texas Relays as a sprinter. And he's not the only UCLA guy (Brian Theriot) to move up from sprints to 800 because he wasn't fast enough to make the traveling squad as a sprinter.

I GUARANTEE you he breaks 11sec for the 100m as a mid-runner. I know he was a sprinter when he ran 10.4.

Did he break 11 or not? Answer, yes.

And it's a lock numerous elite 800 runners have/had sub 11 speed. Lock.

Hair splitter wrote:

Did he break 11 or not? Answer, yes.

And it's a lock numerous elite 800 runners have/had sub 11 speed. Lock.

The question is whether he ran sub-11 when he was in top 800 shape.

The op asks 'could they' not 'did they'. I suggest a mid-D runner who ran 10.4 in the 100m as a teenager certainly 'could' run under 11sec for 100m in top mid-D form. I doubt he attempted a 100m race with FAT at that time so certainly didn't do it.

1. Brandon was in faster than 10.4 shape as a 400 hurdler at UCLA. (Matt Bruno was in like 10.50 peak shape and Brandon would've dominated him.) I'm sure he hasn't been in that shape since moving up, but I'd be surprised if he didn't break 11.

2. Brandon did not move up to the 8 while at UCLA--he never did a single workout with the 800 runners and had no problem making the traveling squad as a sprinter (even without the hurdles, Craig Everhart was his only comp at all three sprints).

I ran 11.3 and 22.9 in high school. Legit timed races and also split 49.2 and ran 1:54 low. The 22.9 is probably my most impressive time Some guy in my conference, Dan Murray, ran 11.1, 22.mid, 48. In the open and 1:53 and ran a 15:4x in cross country. Also had school long jump record. Was big ten 800m champ I believe. ATHLETE!I could only run 16:55 in 5k though. Ended up running 1:50 in college and 3:59 1500m. Nowadays I can only run a 1:12 half.

Armchair12 wrote:

There have been multiple threads entertaining the idea that one of the top tier Mid D guys could break 11 seconds in a 100m race. In this conversation I'm particularly referring to 800/1500 type guys as they seem to come up the most in this topic, though occasionally 1500/5k guys (Rupp, Farah) have ridiculously come up also. In this Flotrack article,

http://www.flotrack.org/article/40984-top-storylines-of-mt-sac-relays-men-s-competition

, it mentions Duane Solomon ran a 100m race earlier this year and ran a 10.84. I don't think I need to say more than that as I'm sure the following responses will roll (or troll) with this information alone.

The point remains: there absolutely have been elite 800m runners capable of running sub 11 in a FAT 100m. All elite 800m runners? No way. Most 800m runners? No way. A very few over the years? Most definitely.

Poster above gave a good example. No chance a guy is going to go from running 10.4 as a 1/2 runner to being unable to run sub 11 (at the peak of the season anyway) as a 4/8 guy a few years later. 4/8 training doesn't burn off that much speed. He'd still be under 11 at the end of a season, when he is at his fastest.

runnerdnerd wrote:

The point remains: there absolutely have been elite 800m runners capable of running sub 11 in a FAT 100m.

Yet none of them have ever done it, and there's no credible evidence that any were in shape to do it.

By this logic, I could say no sub four miler could recite any Shakespeare.

Speaker of Hard Truths wrote:

runnerdnerd wrote:

The point remains: there absolutely have been elite 800m runners capable of running sub 11 in a FAT 100m.

Yet none of them have ever done it, and there's no credible evidence that any were in shape to do it.

And for the record, Michael Granville ran 10.6 from the blocks. That's 10.84 converted.

Padded Numbers wrote:

And for the record, Michael Granville ran 10.6 from the blocks. That's 10.84 converted.

Yeah as a 1:55 guy. Once you start doing the endurance work, you get slower not faster.

Marcin Lewandowski (Poland)

2006

100m: 10.64

800m: 1:46.69

http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/poland/marcin-lewandowski-204111

messinat wrote:

Marcin Lewandowski (Poland)

2006

100m: 10.64

800m: 1:46.69

http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/poland/marcin-lewandowski-204111

That 10.64 result has been debunked (it was some other guy named Lewandowski)

Is someone really wondering if Brandon Johnson can run < 11 from blocks?

The correct answer is yes, if his leg isn't broken and his converse all-stars are tied.

And why say 10 when you mean

Alberto the Great Caballo Juantorena would have zero trouble skipping through a 10.xx out of blocks during practice. I'm sure he split under 22 in multiple 400 races, no way could he fail to match that pace in an all out 100.