Thoughts?
Tried to take 12 kids to a "varsity" only meet, so they could get exposed to some regional/state competition, but he shut it down because he was afraid of phone calls from the parents, and the backlash because we were "picking and choosing" certain kids.
Anyone ran into this? Should I be upset?
Tell the AD and the parents to f*ck off and rent a van and drive the kids yourself. They can run unattached.
Also should say that he told me that if he got phone calls from parents asking me for my job, I would probably end up losing my job.
Seriously mate? wrote:
Tell the AD and the parents to f*ck off and rent a van and drive the kids yourself. They can run unattached.
This would be the immature reaction. Just make sure to get your resume ready.
What you should do is build your case. Talk to area coaches and if they do these meets present all the information directly to the AD. Also, get some supportive (and hopefully influential) parents on your side beforehand. Explain everything to the rest of your parents. Base it strictly on time and I am assuming an assistant coach might be able to take the rest of the kids to a local meet.
coach1738 wrote:
Also should say that he told me that if he got phone calls from parents asking me for my job, I would probably end up losing my job.
Dude, you have a boss that threatens you like this? WTF kind of position are you in over there. Is this normal?
Take them all, then.
Create standards that designate those kids as Varsity, then say this is a varsity competition, no JV.
Varsity sport right? If the AD objects ask him why he is treating track differently from other team sports.
Tried that, he didn't buy it.
Too much $$$??? Over budget??? Maybe you're spending too much.
We had a free bus driver bc he is another coach, and was going to take the 100 dollar entry fee out of my own budget, so no concerns there.
Him and the superintendent deemed it to not be fair, and were afraid of parent backlash throughout the community, and they didn't want to have to deal with phone calls. To which I said( in a very mild manner), "so are you going to get parent phone calls when certain kids advance to the regional and state meet, and others don't?" To which the AD replied back, I don't like your tone.
Mention it to the parents of the kids that would have gotten to go.
They can start making calls to their school board members asking for the AD's job.
Are there certain standards to enter this meet? If there are entry standards and there are certain athletes that can not meet them then you are not "picking and choosing" certain kids.
coach1738 wrote:
We had a free bus driver bc he is another coach, and was going to take the 100 dollar entry fee out of my own budget, so no concerns there.
Him and the superintendent deemed it to not be fair, and were afraid of parent backlash throughout the community, and they didn't want to have to deal with phone calls. To which I said( in a very mild manner), "so are you going to get parent phone calls when certain kids advance to the regional and state meet, and others don't?" To which the AD replied back, I don't like your tone.
You are either a troll or you are on the AD's bad side. Maybe you ought to watch your tone around him. I am not saying that you are in the wrong, I think you're in the right, but it sounds like he doesn't like you. Or maybe he is a sociopath that is incredibly unprofessional and rude to people.
If I had a boss who said, "I don't like your tone," I would probably reconsider my statement/reaction. You may be right, but you might be ruining your opportunity by acting like a jerk.
I am wondering if you are a troll, though. You have two rather obvious grammatical errors that are BEGGING to be called out, yet no one has done so. Makes me think you're a troll.
Risk Management. Maybe not enough supervision. Overnight trip? Usually your meet schedule is discussed before the season starts, especially if it's an overnight meet. Did you just decide to go to this meet or has it been on your schedule all season? Are you a male coach with only a couple female athletes?
Promise you I'm not a troll, I was typing that as I was angry. I apologize for my ignorance.
However, I had mentioned maybe doing this back in December, and he seemed fine with it. And I think he reacted like that because it was the first time during my coaching at this High School that I didn't back down right away.
And I wasn't acting like a Jerk, I simply put it as such, "we have a meet Friday night at home, and then we would like to take our kids who have a legit shot of making finals at state, to run again Saturday, so they can experience this for the first time."
I still don't see what the fuss is. But if it were basketball at the varsity level (which the coach picks), I am sure it would be fine. Hmmp. Sorry just trying to vent my frustrations with others!!
what if you said you wanted to bring the whole team to X meet but realistically most just won't get accepted and if people who the meet director (not you) decides can't run want to come along for the ride, they're welcome to
coach1738 wrote:
Promise you I'm not a troll, I was typing that as I was angry. I apologize for my ignorance.
However, I had mentioned maybe doing this back in December, and he seemed fine with it. And I think he reacted like that because it was the first time during my coaching at this High School that I didn't back down right away.
And I wasn't acting like a Jerk, I simply put it as such, "we have a meet Friday night at home, and then we would like to take our kids who have a legit shot of making finals at state, to run again Saturday, so they can experience this for the first time."
I still don't see what the fuss is. But if it were basketball at the varsity level (which the coach picks), I am sure it would be fine. Hmmp. Sorry just trying to vent my frustrations with others!!
Got it.
Not sure why he is being a dick. Seems pretty stupid to me. Even at the Middle School level where I volunteer a few times a month, we pick kids for certain races around the state.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
Take them all, then.
Tend to agree. Its a team right?
At our school, we have a written policy on "play time." This is given to the coaches as well as all the parents. The policy explicitly states that play time is up to the discretion of the coach(es), and that parents are not allowed to have any discussion about playtime with the coach, AD, etc. This policy came from the AD and VP in charge of sports, who used to be a coach at the school.
This means that as a coach, I could only enter my best kids into meets for an entire year and have my slower kids never go to a single meet and according to the policy, the AD would refuse to listen to any complaints over this issue.
Obviously I wouldn't do that, and I've never met a coach would would do that. In track, we have the liberty of throwing our slow kids into meets and all it costs is a few bucks, there is no risk of losing a meet because of that.
At our school, we put every kid into the dual/tri meets, every kid who works hard in practice into at least one or two invites, and our fastest kids get put into more invites. Every kid is entered into the league championship meet (and can therefore qualify for the sectional and state meets if they run fast enough.).
Kids who don't work hard in practice only get to run in dual/tri meets. Kids who skip practices for any reason other than doctors appointment, a specific academic need, etc are left out of every meet including even our dual/tri meets.
As far as I know, we've never had a parent attempt to complain in the 4 years I've been here.
I think your AD's policy is absurd. It doesn't support any of the life lessons or overall learning goals I can think of for high school sports.
Running and going are two different topics.
For some reason I feel skeptical about the reasons for exclusion., was it an invitational? Were there guidelines for the times expected?